Question about all of these options. One issue I had on occasion with P2ATC was it flying me into mountains. I noticed this mostly on descent in places like Telluride. Do any of these solutions perform better than others in this regard? 

FSHud just keeps getting better and better for me.  Flying a 777 into a busy, and custom Vancouver, all the way from London, with separation and butter smooth frames is what the sim is all about for me.  It's completely breathed new life into MSFS and ensured I'm not really that excited about FS2024, because I'm having so much fun in 2020.  

1 hour ago, RobJC said:

Question about all of these options. One issue I had on occasion with P2ATC was it flying me into mountains. I noticed this mostly on descent in places like Telluride. Do any of these solutions perform better than others in this regard? 

Many flights in the US with BATC, including around mountainous areas, haven't hit any mountains yet. 

Okay I had a go with FSHud 2. This is a 30-minute review and I never really got anything off the ground. Just observing the way things work. Cliff notes: BATC is way easier to get working. For instance, I use FSLTL models. With BATC, it is smart enough to just look at whatever models you have (AIG, FSLTL, MS) and then just use them. You don't need to do anything else except have those models installed. With FSHud, to use FSLTL models you need to run the FSLTL injector. So you are running (and configuring) FSLTL plus FSHud and it just adds layers to the entire process. With BATC you do none of that. Second, it took a long time to populate KDEN and it I was able to get maybe 10 planes on the ground (before FSHud crashed), while with BATC within 30 seconds I had a full airport. One thing I did like about FSHud is that the airplanes in the sky appeared to fly more realistically. Not that I look at planes for extended periods of time, but it does appear they nailed the look of a plane flying in the distance. 

Do any of these work networked to another machine?  

Today I run PF3 over WideFS which means all of my ATC messages and information are on another device.  I hate having a menu in my face as I am trying to fly but do still prefer the menu/keypress methodology.  I also use AIG with AIGTC.  With all the options available which one best meets those requirements?

Ability to run networked and display messages to networked machine?

Ability to interact with AI fromg AIGTC without having to "control" the AI?

Ability to use keypresses which I map to my G13 to interact? 

Do any of these offerings fit that bill? 

Thank you!!   

14 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Many flights in the US with BATC, including around mountainous areas, haven't hit any mountains yet. 

Out of interest many of those with vectors or are you mostly getting assigned an approach transition?

P2ATC definitely isn't ground aware, so if terrain is an issue I tend to choose my STAR/Approach/Runway about 20 minutes prior to TOD.

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4 hours ago, Gazzareth said:

Out of interest many of those with vectors or are you mostly getting assigned an approach transition?

P2ATC definitely isn't ground aware, so if terrain is an issue I tend to choose my STAR/Approach/Runway about 20 minutes prior to TOD.

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I use the approaches assigned by Simbrief.

 

15 hours ago, psolk said:

Do any of these work networked to another machine?  

Today I run PF3 over WideFS which means all of my ATC messages and information are on another device.  I hate having a menu in my face as I am trying to fly but do still prefer the menu/keypress methodology.  I also use AIG with AIGTC.  With all the options available which one best meets those requirements?

Ability to run networked and display messages to networked machine?

Ability to interact with AI fromg AIGTC without having to "control" the AI?

Ability to use keypresses which I map to my G13 to interact? 

Do any of these offerings fit that bill? 

Thank you!!   

Hi Paul, FSHud 2 UI can run in any device in your network, but what you run is just a thin client in a browser. The FSHud server runs on your sim PC. The browser will display all ATC messages.

I never use voice recognition for ATC. After being spoiled with PF3 CP Mode 2 for years (enough for 5 sims), I found I don't need to use any button assignments. I only need to initiate contact for clearance, pushback, taxi and takeoff. Anything else is automatically done for me. But I understand you can map the buttons directly.

 

Regarding AI flightplans, FSHud reads them and sets the AI by itself. You no longer need to use AITC for filling your skies and airports with traffic. 

3 hours ago, Luis Hernandez said:

Hi Paul, FSHud 2 UI can run in any device in your network, but what you run is just a thin client in a browser. The FSHud server runs on your sim PC. The browser will display all ATC messages.

I never use voice recognition for ATC. After being spoiled with PF3 CP Mode 2 for years (enough for 5 sims), I found I don't need to use any button assignments. I only need to initiate contact for clearance, pushback, taxi and takeoff. Anything else is automatically done for me. But I understand you can map the buttons directly.

 

Regarding AI flightplans, FSHud reads them and sets the AI by itself. You no longer need to use AITC for filling your skies and airports with traffic. 

Hi Luis,

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond, I really appreciate it!

Yes, you are describing VCP Mode2 in PF3, Copilot handles all comms!  That is what I use after initial clearance as well!

Interesting about AIG, so it just reads the flightplans directly from AIG without AIGTC, that would be another positive! 

Thank you so much again Luis, knowing you transitioned from PF3  makes me feel much better, I too feel like I have been spoiled using it for all these years!

Off to give FSHud a try I go 🙂  

2 minutes ago, psolk said:

Interesting about AIG, so it just reads the flightplans directly from AIG without AIGTC, that would be another positive! 

we have so far no confirmation from FSHud that they support the new DynFP syntax inside the AIGFP files.

3 minutes ago, Kaiii3 said:

we have so far no confirmation from FSHud that they support the new DynFP syntax inside the AIGFP files.

I didn't even consider that I just assumed I was still using .bgl traffic even though you started phasing those out years ago!  

 

11 hours ago, Gazzareth said:

P2ATC definitely isn't ground aware, so if terrain is an issue I tend to choose my STAR/Approach/Runway about 20 minutes prior to TOD.

Are you on V2 or V3? I recall a setting on V2 that specifically accounted for terrain. I haven't seen the same setting in V3 and wondered whether it lost the capability or whether it is now not able to be deselected.

3 hours ago, Kaiii3 said:

we have so far no confirmation from FSHud that they support the new DynFP syntax inside the AIGFP files.

@Kaiii3 They do have this in the knowledgebase which does seem to indicate support for AIG separately to .BGL

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n this tutorial we will be discussing the various traffic settings available in FSHud - Air Traffic Control.
We will discuss the different traffic sources and types (BGL/AIG/External), and their effect on the traffic you will see whilst using FSHud - Air Traffic Control.

 

Edited October 11, 20241 yr by psolk

8 hours ago, Kaiii3 said:

we have so far no confirmation from FSHud that they support the new DynFP syntax inside the AIGFP files.

 

12 hours ago, Luis Hernandez said:

Hi Paul, FSHud 2 UI can run in any device in your network, but what you run is just a thin client in a browser. The FSHud server runs on your sim PC. The browser will display all ATC messages.

I never use voice recognition for ATC. After being spoiled with PF3 CP Mode 2 for years (enough for 5 sims), I found I don't need to use any button assignments. I only need to initiate contact for clearance, pushback, taxi and takeoff. Anything else is automatically done for me. But I understand you can map the buttons directly.

 

Regarding AI flightplans, FSHud reads them and sets the AI by itself. You no longer need to use AITC for filling your skies and airports with traffic. 

Downloaded, Ran the Beta Launcher, upgraded to V2, selected AIG in the configuration, set it to launch on 2nd machine and it all seemed to work seamlessly out of the box....   I'm going to add a different speaker so it doesn't compete with my main MSFS speakers and yet to try voice control but everything else seemed to work and fairly straight forward.  Interested to do a long haul and see how it handles Oceanic and step climbs! 

@Kaiii3 just to confirm no more .bgl files in MSFS?  they are all the newer format?  I only ask because there is an option for BGL traffic as well as AIG.  

4 hours ago, psolk said:

just to confirm no more .bgl files in MSFS?  they are all the newer format?  I only ask because there is an option for BGL traffic as well as AIG.  

no BGLs in MSFS by AIG only AIGFP