8 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I will have to take out a second mortgage on my home to afford to use SAY intentions plus Pilot Edge.  Lets see that would be about $550 a year, if my math is correct. 😉

HeHe..I try not to think about it! However, if we are doing the math, might as well add in a subscription to OnAir and a Starlink service so that my sim has internet when in the Hangar. All things I wouldnt be paying for monthly if not for this hobby.

Is FSHud v2 in beta yet?

1 hour ago, Shomron said:

Is FSHud v2 in beta yet?

It’s still in alpha but it’s pretty solid

there’s also an open‑source option in development. We’re working on OpenSquawk – it’s a free AI ATC that uses local speech recognition and a locally fine‑tuned language model to generate controller responses. No cloud fees and no subscription.

It’s not a finished product yet; MSFS support is in closed alpha and X‑Plane is on the roadmap. If you’re curious or want to help test, more info is at opensquawk.de

SI works pretty well for me and does a reasonable enough job for you to ignore the occasional hiccup without ruining the whole flight. Vectoring works well as I posted in another thread and having integrated CPLDC and ATIS etc is fun if the aircraft supports it. BATC seems to do somewhat better on the voices front, with really good premium voices (always matched in my experience with the controller and airline) which SI does about 60% of the time but as above the inflexibility of the controlling can be a headache. I like the fact that SI can handle different types of procedures and although it still does daft things like give you vectors on a visual approach, it leaves you alone enough to do your own thing. 

FSHud I haven't tried for a long time in fairness. 

I think the takeaway is that ATC is hard - very hard. The fact that we've got to the point where any one of these programs can be used on almost every flight to an acceptable standard is commendable indeed. 

On 10/1/2024 at 12:25 AM, Bobsk8 said:

Send me $200 a year, and I'll try it.  😄

tried a few of them and its got to be SI so far (even has a GA traffic injector - which when it works is great but its defintely a WIP) - just wondering how FSHUD compares and is it worth trying and how is the traffic injection - does it include GA and military and does it use its own models? 

 

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2 hours ago, mac44 said:

tried a few of them and its got to be SI so far (even has a GA traffic injector - which when it works is great but its defintely a WIP) - just wondering how FSHUD compares and is it worth trying and how is the traffic injection - does it include GA and military and does it use its own models? 

 

Fshud

No GA or military.

FShud traffic injection is way better then SI and BATC at this point .

Departures are also better in Fshud and BATC then SI.

Arrivals are hit and miss on all 3. Good days and bad days.

If traffic injection is important to you, I would recommend trying Fshud. 

SI is very immersive, but leave me feeling like I am playing a game instead of adding real value.

(the last part is just personal observation. Other may feel very differently)

38 minutes ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

Fshud

No GA or military.

FShud traffic injection is way better then SI and BATC at this point .

What do you consider as "way better"? One of the things I do not like with FSHud is that it does not use any pushback. Planes simply turn on point and drive away from the gate, BATC uses the default pushback and even have a pushback truck attached to the AI planes. Small detail, but does add a lot to the immersion. 

The biggest plus of FSHud in my opinion is the versatility it offers regarding how you get your traffic into the sim which is then controlled by FSHud. You can use e.g. the AIG Traffic Injector and if you have all and everything from AIG installed (like I do), you have the currently most diverse AI traffic in your sim controlled by FSHud. Nothing better atm. You also get all GA planes from AIG into your sim like this. And if you would use MAIW .bgl flightplans, you would even get military traffic into the sim (not tested). 

So imho, FSHud offers the best overall package. But I keep returning to BATC simply because it is more immersive in handling the AI planes at a big airport. The absolute winner for me would be FSHud using proper pushback and jetway connection 😉

BTW: AIG TC injected traffic DOES use both pushback and jetways. But then you do not get the ATC part of course. 

Means: no ATC / AI Traffic addon is perfect by now. All have their pro's and con's. Depending on what you prioritize, you should then decide which one to get. 

1 hour ago, AnkH said:

What do you consider as "way better"? 

I agree with everything you said. So no real disagreement on my part.

For me the big thing is real point to point traffic injection and FSHud is the only one giving me planes landing at the same time on approach. Course, this also causes vector problems at times.

Its the only part I dislike from BATC.

 

1 hour ago, AnkH said:

What do you consider as "way better"? One of the things I do not like with FSHud is that it does not use any pushback. Planes simply turn on point and drive away from the gate, BATC uses the default pushback and even have a pushback truck attached to the AI planes. Small detail, but does add a lot to the immersion. 

The biggest plus of FSHud in my opinion is the versatility it offers regarding how you get your traffic into the sim which is then controlled by FSHud. You can use e.g. the AIG Traffic Injector and if you have all and everything from AIG installed (like I do), you have the currently most diverse AI traffic in your sim controlled by FSHud. Nothing better atm. You also get all GA planes from AIG into your sim like this. And if you would use MAIW .bgl flightplans, you would even get military traffic into the sim (not tested). 

So imho, FSHud offers the best overall package. But I keep returning to BATC simply because it is more immersive in handling the AI planes at a big airport. The absolute winner for me would be FSHud using proper pushback and jetway connection 😉

BTW: AIG TC injected traffic DOES use both pushback and jetways. But then you do not get the ATC part of course. 

Means: no ATC / AI Traffic addon is perfect by now. All have their pro's and con's. Depending on what you prioritize, you should then decide which one to get. 

Actually BATC does not use default pushback, but has programmed its own pushback (including tug). The reason is that externally injected objects can not be used by default systems, which is also the reason why jetways don‘t work on them. This is a sim limitation which affects all three tools.

2 hours ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

Fshud

No GA or military.

FShud traffic injection is way better then SI and BATC at this point .

Departures are also better in Fshud and BATC then SI.

Arrivals are hit and miss on all 3. Good days and bad days.

If traffic injection is important to you, I would recommend trying Fshud. 

SI is very immersive, but leave me feeling like I am playing a game instead of adding real value.

(the last part is just personal observation. Other may feel very differently)

Very well said. Unfortunately both BATC and Say Intentions have regressed immensely since their earlier iterations. FSHud stands king right now when it comes to injection.