AAU 3 now available

[Tuskin38]

4 minutes ago, nrunning24 said:

I agree, I don't get why this is so hard for people to understand.  If you sell a game/sim, and just update it your in the clear.  It you decide to capitalize on 3rd party revenue by creating an in-game store that sells 3rd party content IN GAME then you have more requirements to make sure things dont get totally broken.  I'm sure a few months of store revenue could pay for extra testing on this.  We aren't talking about some building messed up or something.  Its a straight CTD when you have a VERY popular add on installed. They can do better.

Said addon is not sold in the Marketplace.

Plus with every update Asobo has always asked us to empty the community folder because of possible compatibility issues

Edited October 1 by Tuskin38

[Abriael]

2 minutes ago, nrunning24 said:

I agree, I don't get why this is so hard for people to understand.  If you sell a game/sim, and just update it your in the clear.  It you decide to capitalize on 3rd party revenue by creating an in-game store that sells 3rd party content IN GAME then you have more requirements to make sure things dont get totally broken.  I'm sure a few months of store revenue could pay for extra testing on this.  We aren't talking about some building messed up or something.  Its a straight CTD when you have a VERY popular add on installed. They can do better.

"I agree" doesn't mean what you think it means. He said the opposite of what you're arguing. 

You don't make the rules for third-party stores. They're regulated by the TOS and by the law, neither of which is on your side.

[Lucky38i]

3 minutes ago, nrunning24 said:

I agree, I don't get why this is so hard for people to understand.  If you sell a game/sim, and just update it your in the clear.  It you decide to capitalize on 3rd party revenue by creating an in-game store that sells 3rd party content IN GAME then you have more requirements to make sure things dont get totally broken.  I'm sure a few months of store revenue could pay for extra testing on this.  We aren't talking about some building messed up or something.  Its a straight CTD when you have a VERY popular add on installed. They can do better.

I don’t recall having the ability to install navigraph airac updates through the marketplace, do you? 
 

do you recall a marketplace product causing CTDs?

[flyingscampi]

35 minutes ago, Kaboki said:

Out of the lets say 10 million MSFS users, how many of them actually have a Navigraph subscription? It maybe most popular to the hardest of the core, but I bet most MSFS users never even heard of it… 😛

Im sure all this drama will settle in a few days and navigraph will fix it. I have a subscription myself, but I can live without it until fixed… 

Before I commented, I didn't realise it only affected the sim database, not PMDG, etc. No biggie 🙂

[jrw4]

For those who are less interested in the legalisms, etc., and more interested in flight simming itself, I can report that temporarily renaming the Community folder before starting MSFS in anticipation of the update and then deleting the newly created Community folder immediately after updating and quitting MSFS while changing the name of the original back to "Community" yielded a working flight sim, at least for me.

Having reported that, I can also say that I have never in the past bothered with this and cannot recall an occasion on which a problem ensued, so this is a novel situation, at least for some of us. No big deal, but certainly avoidable with even a short public beta. Indeed, I can't imagine a way to avoid such glitches without that beta, but others may be more clever.

[Luis Hernandez]

33 minutes ago, Krakin said:

Airbus A310-300

Fixed – Interior model appears to be missing when viewed by other users

...

So, basically, this is more a bug fix and 2-3 improvements than what we got with AAU2 (which turned 2 default airliners into almost payware quality), right?

[nrunning24]

1 minute ago, Lucky38i said:

I don’t recall having the ability to install navigraph airac updates through the marketplace, do you? 
 

do you recall a marketplace product causing CTDs?

We are like 10 responses down from the original point so its not responding to the exact situation.  Yes its not in marketplace.  The original point was the MS should do some testing outside the sandbox with 3rd party products (which they literally always do during open betas).  This was the first non-open beta I've seen in a while and what do you know we got a bunch of CTD.  I was then told that they should only have to make sure it works in the sandbox which I argued isn't reasonable because they literally sell 3rd party content directly to consumers in the in-game store.  

The original point before it divulged was for a company that makes so much $ in facilitating 3rd party sales they really should do a better job on updates to not break things and then blame devs who never even had an idea that something was changing.

[lwt1971]

1 hour ago, nrunning24 said:

But there is constant chatter from the community that maybe MS doesnt really care about the true simmer market (Since it seems most priorities are for visual improvements, career etc. leaving lots of the other stuff untouched). 

That constant chatter are from a clueless few, or the disingenuous few... I mean, after all what has been publicized numerous times in recent weeks/months, it should be clear these silly narratives just fall flat in the face of reality. From the set of improvements/fixes in MSFS 2024 to this very AAU3 (and various AAUs and SUs), it should be clear that "most priorities" are *NOT* for "visual improvements". Oh, and that "career" thing is also funnily enough a real world thing being simulated in MSFS 2024, and before the usual few jump in with the usual narrative.. no, career/aviation support is not coming at the expense of core simulation improvements.
 

Edited October 1 by lwt1971

[btacon]

Changelog

 

Airbus A310-300

• Fixed - Interior model appears to be missing when viewed by other users
• Fixed - Auto throttle does not animate the throttle but does work
• Fixed - ATC not honoring custom registration / tail number.
• Fixed - FMS PRED Page Bearing seems to be in “true” instead of magnetic.
• Inclusion of Pan Am livery.

Airbus A320neo V2

• Fixed - GWCG value being in ZFWCG on MCDU.
• Fixed - EFB Dashboard Aircraft Type incorrect. (Change to Engine type).
• Fixed - Init request fixed - (will pickup all functions from EFB ID entry now)
• Fixed - Engines are too loud when starting or shutting down [ADO].
• Fixed – Reworked and modified engine mixing to cover overall sounds feedback covering items such as flaps sound, TO howl, AC in cockpit looping and too quiet from outside even compared to inside.
• Fixed - Engines at TOGA more quiet than CLB.
• Fixed - Engines are too loud when starting or shutting down.
• Improvement – Beacon light and strobe lights overhauled and reviewed following feedback.
• Fixed - Weird effect on brakes.
• Fixed - PFD Selected ALT window black background.
• Added – TERR radar now available.
• Improvement - Adjusted pitch in cruise to better reflect lower attitudes expected.
• Improvement - Adjusted engine thrust while at FLX power to give shorter takeoff roll while using higher flex temperatures.
• Improvement - Flight director logic adjusted, while on an RNAV/ ILS approach, you should notice the flight directors moving over a larger range and giving more precise guidance.
• Improvement - Increased gain control within rotation law to give higher commanded rates at lower stick deflections.
• Improvement - Significant improvements to stability with WASM crashes and CTD.
• Fixed - Rudder Trim Knob / Reset Button not animated when key command sent.
• Fixed - [AFS] REC MAX not rounded to 500.
• Fixed - Init Page B Errors with BLOCK fuel/ Planning vs Prediction Modes [ADO].
• Fixed - Autobrake disarm on landing too sensitive.
• Fixed - T/D Top of Descent ETA’s not calculated correctly on Flight Plan Page [ADO].
• Fixed - Remove Align on ref.
• Fixed - FPLN A Page TIME vs UTC.
• Fixed - PROG RPT page - Winds shown as MAG instead of TRU bearing.
• Fixed - TCAS - Alerts and Filtering Improvements.
• Fixed - TCAS Target shown as single digit instead of double.
• Fixed - When starting the engines as soon as you move the ENG MASTER to on the FADEC grey boxes should show to indicate ENG START in progress.
• Fixed - Selecting descent angle in Fpa mode bug.
• Fixed - MCDU sometimes getting stuck on PLEASE WAIT.
• Fixed - 240NM mark not showing in the 320NM range option.
• Fixed - MCDU WPT ETAs not matching.
• Fixed - AP/AT Disconnect switches not animated via control input.
• Fixed - Changing COM Frequencies via Radio Panel (Simconnect Events).
• Fixed - ND/PFD Track discrepancy.
• Fixed - ECAMs not auto switching back to CRUISE page when deselected.
• Fixed - Missing Approach procedures.
• Fixed - TCAS traffic logic improved.
• Fixed - No upper or lower limits on the speed tape during DES mode.
• Fixed - Wrong CG value being inputted.
• Fixed - Slat/flap “boxes” look dim when compared to other green writing in the EWD.
• Fixed - Wheel when above 100c should show green arc above hottest break at the moment shows no green arc.
• Fixed - FPLN should update ND and sequence in the background regardless of the MCDU page selected. It currently only updates ND if FPLN is active page in MCDU.
• Fixed - BRK FAN doesn’t seem to be effective.
• Fixed - Spacing of the DME below waypoint name is too tight should be like ref image.
• Fixed - When you turn off one of the gens the loading is not transferred to the other one. Example GEN 1 selected off AC BUS 1 and 2 now run from GEN 2 but the % loading is the same.
• Fixed - When you are below MDA for example LFMN RNAV 04L with MDA of 2000ft the AP should disconnect MDA -50ft. which is currently working correctly. But if want to put the AP back in you can so for example if you go around and press the AP in then it will work. So it’s just the one disconnect not forcing the AP to not work.
• Fixed - APU burn rate is high 80 kgs in 20 mins when should be around 100kgs per hour.
• Fixed - 30’ GPWS callout later than others.
• Fixed - FO side push button for TERR RADAR not currently mapped.
• Fixed - INIT B page - Cannot edit FINAL/TIME fields.
• Fixed - FL400 shown in flight plan when no CRZ level and no SC set not present on old build.
• Fixed - When AC BUS 1 INOP SYS have clipping line and an FWS 1+2 shows and will not clear on the MEMO side where it shows NOT AVAIL.
• Fixed - Baro limited to 8000’.
• Fixed - APU/Eng shutdown sequencing.
• Fixed - [XBOX] SPD managed mode not engaging after switching to manual SPD mode.
• Fixed - Excessive fuel flow.
• Fixed - MACH VNAV tables giving high rate of des feedback.
• Fixed - Route flickering and not rendering every few seconds.
• Fixed - Pro ATC X - Radios Not Working.
• Fixed - Negative VOR CRS on Radio NAV.
• Fixed - VNAV on LEMD NONT3C arr RNP Z 32R - computed path not following alt constraints.
• Fixed - Cannot reset FCU SPD/HDG back to managed mode when previewing by pushing in respective knob.
• Fixed - Selected speed/managed DES engines remain THR IDLE.
• Fixed - FPLN B / VERT REV B / INIT B - Cruise winds.
• Fixed - Stuck TCAS returns/targets.
• Fixed - APU will not shut down after engine start randomly.
• Fixed - Rudder Trim Knob / Reset Button animations.
• Fixed - TD on FL220 CST.
• Fixed - EFOB more than FOB - FPLN and PROG page.
• Fixed - OH - C&D startup logic.
• Fixed - Fuel broken after inserting hold.
• Fixed – Can’t edit Engine out ACC height.
• Fixed - Lower ECAM not staying on ENGINE page after start.
• Fixed - INIT B box prompts in kgs regardless of weight value set in EFB.
• Fixed - Wheel when above 100c should show green arc above hottest brake.
• Fixed - FCU Mach Preview showing XX.XX value during CLB/DES, ok in CRZ.
• Fixed - Extra time incorrect on perf page.
• Fixed - Fuel prediction calculations.
• Fixed - Erroneous Arrival time vs T/D estimate.
• Fixed - Aircraft pitching up in OP DES while in selected HDG ahead of VPATH.
• Fixed - FMGS exception when selecting APP RNAV15.
• Fixed - WASM Crash reports from Discord.
• Fixed - Stairs / Boarding Ramp option missing from Aircraft.cfg.
• Fixed - Speed brake animation greater than commanded from flight deck (e.g. ½ showing full deflection.
• Fixed - Excessive pitch nose up on rotation.
• Fixed - NAV mode won’t engage after switching to HDG once.
• Fixed - [Instruments][NAV] A320neo (v2) fails to display accurate bearing pointer direction when manually tuning NDB frequency.
• Fixed - Black Dot/artefact appearing on the Windshield when nose lights turned on.
• Fixed - No Smoking TT value reversed.
• Fixed - Stairs can’t be called to the aircraft.
• Fixed - [KO-KR] Missing LOC for “Open Descent” in the checklist.
• Fixed - [FI-FI] Missing LOC for “REFERENCE RWY IN BRG/DIST FIELD” in the checklist.
• Fixed - External Power Button Not Making Sounds.
• Fixed - [ENG] IDLE engine N1 not correct this is why at higher FLs it gets off path so much idle shown in sim around 55% but should be 41% N1 might have been a bad table export.
• Fixed - Jetway is misaligned.
• Fixed - Dome Lights do not emit any light.
• Fixed - Regression] Nav/logo lights do not turn off when using the “Toggle Lights” keybind.
• Fixed - No Highlighting to Push Tray Table In.
• Fixed - Buttons tooltips does not change when they are used.
• Fixed - FD pitching too low during takeoff.
• Fixed - After landing, pitch trim goes to 4 units up and bounces around the upper limit.
• Fixed - [ENG] EGT rises while full paused.
• Fixed - FUEL PRED- MIN DEST FOB does not update when custom ALTN fuel removed.
• Fixed - [ECAM] When booting up FWS 1+2 stays for about 3 minutes.
• Fixed - [ECAM] Overflow arrow showing all the time on STS page even when not data.
• Fixed - [FCTL] Speed brakes not working correctly with AP on and AP off but I think I worked out why.
• Fixed - [AFS] Manually entered speed constraints show up as XXX.XX on PFD.
• Fixed - Radio altimeter would show numbers like “-1” even “-2” when you are rotating.
• Fixed - [Radials] When going direct to a waypoint via the MCDU, it would point to a complete random non-existent waypoint instead of the selected one.
• Fixed - [Radial in] When you execute the RADIAL in it takes about 3 seconds for NAV to ARM after inserting
• Fixed - [Radial In] When you have put a Radial in current not showing any offset on the ND it should show L or R of the current track at the moment it shows nothing.
• Fixed - [Radial in] When you have a Radial in ND shows 2671 miles at the TO point.
• Fixed - [Radial in] After doing the radial in and flying the approach in heading then following the ILS the waypoints should sequence still otherwise when you go around the waypoints are behind you are will not go into NAV.
• Fixed - Pink cockpit textures with enhanced build.
• Fixed - EFOB for T/C T/D + DECEL is wrong.
• Fixed - Pulling speed in APPR mode behaviour.
• Fixed - [ECAM] When getting low FUEL warning in DES the FUEL SD page showed which is correct but after the ECAM was gone the ECAM SD page didn’t self-clear it stayed.
• Fixed - Aircraft is in TOGA Configuration While Spawning onto an Arrival.
• Fixed - [VNAV] Not respecting VNAV speed constraints on some STARS.
• Fixed - [VNAV] For the targeted VS for DES path it seems to not match the tables exported for A320neo.
• Fixed - Crew Supply Oxygen is off on runway spawn.

Pilatus PC-6 Porter

• Fixed missing tooltips on fuel filter clogged and starter lights.
• Fixed AI checklist auto-complete issues with fuel system valve and parking brake.
• Imported new localizations.
• Fixed tooltip value for the left column of lights (main panel).
• Fixed dimmers for annunciator lights not working.
• Added ForceCamera entries to checklists.
• Added AI sound XML for PC-6 Classic Wheels
• Reverted to original Asobo project structure
• Fixed a faulty version number in a packagedefinition file
• Replaced Asobo GNS530/430 with Working Title GNS530/430 in Classic variants
• Fixed lights circuit toggling GNS 530/430.
• Fixed (and extended) engine auto start.
• Fixed (and extended) engine auto stop.
• Added fuel system control valve closed to shutdown checklists.
• Fixed panel lights switch not reacting to L key.
• Fixed instrument lights brightness getting overwritten by G1000.
• Fixed KR87 ADF light potentiometer index.
• Added Radio Magnetic Indicator (RMI) to Gauge variants.
• Reduced the pointer animation speed on RMI.
• Fixed keyboard input not available in GNS530/430 units.
• Fixed flickering glass around rear doors.
• Fixed LOD issues on Gauge Livery 01, Gauge Livery 02 and G950 Wheels Livery.
• Fixed cockpit camera being able to clip through fuselage.
• Backup attitude Indicator does not work and part of it is upside down

 

 

 

[Lucky38i]

4 minutes ago, nrunning24 said:

The original point before it divulged was for a company that makes so much $ in facilitating 3rd party sales they really should do a better job on updates to not break things and then blame devs who never even had an idea that something was changing.

Which they do.. for products in the marketplace as has been demonstrated.

as been told to you before, it’s not their job to maintain compatibility with external 3rd party products.

[nrunning24]

6 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

Which they do.. for products in the marketplace as has been demonstrated.

as been told to you before, it’s not their job to maintain compatibility with external 3rd party products.

Can I bookmark this for when they mess up a MP add-on again? Y'all really need to get on the same page, first they are not responsible for 3rd party content as their sandbox only worries about the base program during updates (What I was first told).  To now they check EVERY marketplace addon for compatibly before updating.  They do not.  There are plenty of MP addon airports that were broken due to updates that the dev had to fix.  They didn't CTD but they were definitely broken.  

MS doesnt check any addon compatibility, but they should.

Edited October 1 by nrunning24

[Tuskin38]

1 minute ago, nrunning24 said:

MS doesnt check any addon compatibility, but they should.

That would be impossible.

[nrunning24]

Just now, Tuskin38 said:

That would be impossible.

No checking every add on compatibility would be.  I'm sorry I just cant accept that you choose to not do an open beta and then your update CTD with one of the most widely used add ons in the market.  Its a self inflicted error.

[Ron Lefebvre]

3 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

It’s just the navdata folders at fault, not the rest of those.

and then what. Do we put it back in after the update. If not, does  navigraph still work. Can we still load in our flight plans.

Not sure what that folder is used for.

 

[Lucky38i]

8 minutes ago, nrunning24 said:

To now they check EVERY marketplace addon for compatibly before updating

I never explicitly said that. A broken addon is different to one causing CTDs. 
 

though I see you’re going to keep at this.