5 minutes ago, ATRguy said:

Not when it’s presented as terribly as you did, no. 

Explain with examples and multi-syballic words. Insults are just boring and pointless without reasoning. 

1 hour ago, lwt1971 said:

Particularly interesting on these 2024 threads are those who are still on 2020, not even gotten 2024 yet and have declared a gazillion times that they will not get it, but still feel the need to keep yammering and ranting about 2024 as if... they need to validate themselves constantly 🤣

Just as interesting as those who are still on 2020, not even gotten 2024 yet and constantly feel the need to declare it to become flight simulator paradise. Certainly also psychologically interesting 🤣

2 minutes ago, Tom_L said:

Just as interesting as those who are still on 2020, not even gotten 2024 yet and constantly feel the need to declare it to become flight simulator paradise. Certainly also psychologically interesting 🤣

Naa, not so interesting when that is untrue because no one is saying it is "flight sim paradise", given the obviously messy launch and bugs. Also not so interesting when those doing that are just relaying various opinions of actual owners of 2024 whose majority consensus is that it has advanced the ball in some specific areas (and said areas are of interest to those who are about to get 2024 very soon)

I guess those who have declared they are not getting 2024, yet feel the need to constantly repeat that while ranting about 2024, also can't stand any positive opinions that get voiced about 2024 🤣

10 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/337094-23nov24-your-weekend-update-part-2-pmdg-777f-pmdg-737-and-pmdg-747-updates

TLDR: Asobo screwed it up majorly and PMDG can't even use the dev tools for now. Therefore their 77F will be released for MSFS2020 in a couple of weeks

Isn't it strange that Fenix and iniBuilds can make their aircraft work in v2024 but PMDG can't...?

Perhaps the issue doesn't lie entirely at Asobo's feet as you claim.

42 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Isn't it strange that Fenix and iniBuilds can make their aircraft work in v2024 but PMDG can't...?

Perhaps the issue doesn't lie entirely at Asobo's feet as you claim.

As *I* claim? I was summarizing a post from RSR. What else do I have to write in order to make you understand that? A quote and a TLDR isn't enough?

Oh and yes of course it's extremely strange that iniBuilds aircraft work in 2024, everyone was expecting them to say "Hey we worked all year with Asobo to include the brand-new A330 in MSFS 2024, but the release of MSFS 2024 came to our total surprise and we now have to make compatible our brand-new A330 which was specifically designed for MSFS 2024."

36 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

As *I* claim? I was summarizing a post from RSR. What else do I have to write in order to make you understand that? A quote and a TLDR isn't enough?

Oh and yes of course it's extremely strange that iniBuilds aircraft work in 2024, everyone was expecting them to say "Hey we worked all year with Asobo to include the brand-new A330 in MSFS 2024, but the release of MSFS 2024 came to our total surprise and we now have to make compatible our brand-new A330 which was specifically designed for MSFS 2024."

I'm reacting to your blanket condemnation of Asobo for PMDG's issues. Having been around software devs and infrastructure architects my entire career, I can tell you that most problems like this are largely self inflicted.

I.e., we have complex aircraft included with and being added into the sim right now, just DAYS after release.

And as much as I've enjoyed a over a half dozen PMDG products across multiple sims, there is a history of PMDG blaming Asobo for, well, everything.

You've a fair point in re iniBuilds, but what it goes to show is that there's nothing intrinsically wrong with the sim in terms of highly complex modern airliners.

And don't forget that iniBuilds is an independent developer, who is not only new to v2024, but came from a completely different platform not too long ago (y'know, they were X-Plane guys at first 😁).

Which all indicates that it's PMDG white painted themselves into a corner.

Those devs who write good code in the first place are the ones who will/are having the least trouble updating their add-ons.

FSR and A2A are other examples of good, solid coding. Their stuff "just works", whereas what ever claptrap around your elbow to get to your thumb coding framework PMDG uses puts them in enough trouble here that RSR has openly said he's not even sure PMDG products will "ever" work in v2024.

Talk about self inflicted drama...

So, time to maintain some objectivity and look at what all devs are doing instead of just blindly believing what ONE is. 🤙

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by UrgentSiesta

Assuming non-WASM aircraft have less issues becoming compatible with 2024 currently like Fenix/iniBuilds/etc. PMDG is heavily WASM dependent.. are there other examples of WASM aircraft that have already ported? I think Maddog is WASM based, A2A too, etc. Have those devs had similar complaints and blockers too? If A2A is WASM based they obviously didn't need the missing WASM development tools, but maube that's because their aircraft built with the 2020 dev tools just works in 2024 too.

The problem here might be WASM aircraft that needs to be updated in code and/or rebuilt for 2024?

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by lwt1971

7 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

but what it goes to show is that there's nothing intrinsically wrong with the sim in terms of highly complex modern airliners.

Good point

10 hours ago, UAL4life said:

Good. 2024 can die off for all I care. It really is Microsoft Flight 2. 

Well it's a shame you feel that way.

While it's got its share of problems (most of which I'm not affected by...), its a substantially better sim across the board.

All this wailing and gnashing of teeth over what should be an entirely expected course of events will subside soon enough, just like it did with the first dumpster fire four years ago.

Once it gets to a point that it works for you, we'll be happy to welcome you aboard.

7 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Well enjoy your buggy 737 Max , I am flying the PMDG 737-800 right now in 2020, and everything works fine. 😉

I have the 700 and was holding off any more purchases for 2020, but now I'm planning on adding their 800. Love PMDG. Unfortunately most developers will be leaving 2020 behind, but still lots of great AC available right now.

10 hours ago, sloppysmusic said:

PMDG used to be leaders in flight simulation software addons, it's so awfully sad that once falling into bed with the hot new thing (Asobe) they've finally discovered what promises ain't what they used to be. 

I will never buy a pmdg product for a mobile game. I own almost everything they have made for past simulations, but you have to draw the line somewhere. 

Are you flying in v2020 now? Because that's pretty much a "mobile game", too.

Asobo never made any promises to 3rd party devs, any more than Microsoft makes to all the tech people who use their infrastructure to earn a living.

It's up to the 3PDs to use the "mobile game" framework as intended and supported.

Those who want to impose their own constructs there are taking a big chance. The ones who are realistic and prudent - like Fenix, FSR, and A2A - will benefit.

The others, well...they'll blame Asobo.

And sooner or later, someone like Bluebird or JustFlight will replace them.

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by UrgentSiesta
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8 hours ago, B777ER said:

Not a fan of PMDG at all but it is truly telling that when even they, who sell on the MP, get the big hairy middle finger from MS/Asobo that the state of MS2024 is a dumpster fire.

And yet so many other devs are beginning to put their add-ons up...

6 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

Meanwhile

YES!!

And BlackBird, HPG, Carenado, MilTech, et al.

4 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

actual owners of 2024 whose majority consensus is that it has advanced the ball in some specific areas (and said areas are of interest to those who are about to get 2024 very soon)

I'm still just literally playing around with the sim, jumping from plane to plane and place to place.

I have had a couple crashes when filtering aircraft subtypes (same thing Sergio from Helisimmer relayed).

But so far, 2024 has advanced the ball in EVERY aspect I've seen.

Yes, some of the features are probably too restrictive, and yes there are the inevitable bugs and service problems, but Ive no desire to go back to v2020.

And, well, I CANT, because my v2024 experience has been (more than) good enough that I already uninstalled v2020. 😆

And, if MSFS server issues ever hit me now and again, I've still got fantastic HIFi add-ons ready to fly in X-Plane and P3D. 😎

Well, honestly I've forgotten already about FS 2020... I'm enjoying FS 2024 well enough to be satisfied with the new version of the MS / ASOBO sim, and have plenty of default aircraft to play with together with the just released Fenix A320 (payware but I will try to evaluate if it's worth the upgrade and then probably buy it too, although I honestly would prefer to wait for an FSLabs 320 CEO should it be released for FS 2024...)

FS 2020, for me, is past... Either PMDG finds a way to port their aircraft to FS 2024 or I'll have to find alternatives...