51 minutes ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

I just started flying helos a couple of months ago.

I cant even imagine flying one without rudder pedals

If Helos are your thing, then without a doubt they are valuable and a great purchase.

I've never flown helicopters , because when I tried, I found it was impossible to do with just a joystick. Can you explain how you setup a joystick and rudder pedals to be used with helicopters?

No, they are not really necessary, but don't go asking that same question to a real pilot in a real airplane...

14 minutes ago, jlund said:

I've never flown helicopters , because when I tried, I found it was impossible to do with just a joystick. Can you explain how you setup a joystick and rudder pedals to be used with helicopters?

Joystick is for the cyclic, rudder pedals are for the antitorque or tail rotor control and Saitech Quad throttle, I used for the collective. Easy to set up, and it controls the helicopter with no problems. 

I have Saitek rudder pedals. They are gathering dust on the attic. They constantly got in the way and I only used them during take off and landing anyway. Putting them in place and removing them again for every flight was a PITA so I left them lying underneath my desk... and was constantly annoyed by them. But yeah, well, I'm a serious simmer so I have to keep using them, right...? Noooooooooo, of course not! I finally got sick and tired of them, moved them to the attic, enabled Auto rudder and now I have room for my feet and I'm extremely happy!

(I emphasized the Auto rudder part so the AVSIM moaners can spot this blasphemy a bit easier and can have a go at me. I don't mind. At all. )

Edited November 28, 20241 yr by mistolip

13 minutes ago, mistolip said:

I have Saitek rudder pedals. They are gathering dust on the attic. They constantly got in the way and I only used them during take off and landing anyway. Putting them in place and removing them again for every flight was a PITA so I left them lying underneath my desk... and was constantly annoyed by them. But yeah, well, I'm a serious simmer so I have to keep using them, right...? Noooooooooo, of course not! I finally got sick and tired of them, moved them to the attic, enabled Auto rudder and now I have room for my feet and I'm extremely happy!

(I emphasized the Auto rudder part so the AVSIM moaners can spot this blasphemy a bit easier and can have a go at me. I don't mind. At all. )

Auto rudder couples the rudder and airleron together, so when you move the yoke, the rudder on the aircraft also moves in the same direction. This makes landing in a crosswind impossible. ( First three lessons prior to solo, I was taught wheel for the wind, rudder for the runway. ) You can't do that with auto rudder on , no matter what kind of aircraft you are flying. 

Using a Rudder for flight simulation makes a whole LOT of a difference, even if it's not up to the level I would like to - expensive rudders with force feedback would be the ideal, but unaffordable to me...

5 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Auto rudder couples the rudder and airleron together, so when you move the yoke, the rudder on the aircraft also moves in the same direction. This makes landing in a crosswind impossible. ( First three lessons prior to solo, I was taught wheel for the wind, rudder for the runway. ) You can't do that with auto rudder on , no matter what kind of aircraft you are flying. 

Would it not be possible to put an aircraft in a slight bank to keep it on line if use of the rudder was not possible?

18 hours ago, Sethos said:

I have several rudder pedals but always just stop using them, I just find them annoying.

I guess you don't fly IRL or your aircraft would have a funky rudder setup 😁

48 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Auto rudder couples the rudder and airleron together, so when you move the yoke, the rudder on the aircraft also moves in the same direction. This makes landing in a crosswind impossible. ( First three lessons prior to solo, I was taught wheel for the wind, rudder for the runway. ) You can't do that with auto rudder on , no matter what kind of aircraft you are flying. 

Afaik in MSFS Auto rudder simply takes care of the rudder for you. I never have any problems landing anyway no matter where the wind is coming from of how strong it is.

1 minute ago, mistolip said:

Afaik in MSFS Auto rudder simply takes care of the rudder for you. I never have any problems landing anyway no matter where the wind is coming from of how strong it is.

Yeah that’s a simism. Never had any issues either, used to just land crabbed and that was good, where in real life you’d cause serious damage. 

4 minutes ago, mistolip said:

Afaik in MSFS Auto rudder simply takes care of the rudder for you. I never have any problems landing anyway no matter where the wind is coming from of how strong it is.

Then, you are flying something that doesn't behave like a real aircraft.

 

28 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Then, you are flying something that doesn't behave like a real aircraft.

 

And I am having a blast!

58 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I guess you don't fly IRL or your aircraft would have a funky rudder setup 😁

Haha, yeah they always get real upset when I hand them back the leased plane with the rudder pedals ripped out 

11 minutes ago, mistolip said:

And I am having a blast!

Totally!

What I'd really like is a Lay-Z-Boy in a plastic bubble to fly around in. Telepathic control for flight, controls only necessary for the built in massager. Fold out table on right arm, Bushmills container on left. Kind of like a grown up version of the Mekon's platform that fascinated me as a kid (see Dan Dare / Eagle comic). No need for pedals.

Mind you, I'd expect it to behave like a real flying Lay-Z-Boy.

23 minutes ago, mistolip said:

And I am having a blast!

You should try a train simulator, you don't even need a joystick. 😉