6 hours ago, BrammyH said:

It is off though. Just now it tried to get me to depart off runway 4 in KDCA in an a321. It's a 5000' runway. It took the wind direction of 60 as the deciding factor and ignored the airframe limitations. I've had this happen in KDCA before.

As Bob said, in this case I can now change the departure runway.

Now, these situations are the only times I will override BATC. It's gotten a lot better about these things, but there is a disconnect still between airframe type, runway length, and wind direction.

In the Battle of the 3 ATC Armies, I'm firmly in BATC's camp. But like all software, sometimes the logic needs help/

 

Ad somebody who's looking at trying BATC I'm curious about this. 

 

Does (should) BATC be considering the airframe limits when it does its departure and arrival runway calculations? I know Pilot2ATC does (and you can adjust those limits) but not sure if BATC does.

4 hours ago, KL Oo said:

Ad somebody who's looking at trying BATC I'm curious about this. 

 

Does (should) BATC be considering the airframe limits when it does its departure and arrival runway calculations? I know Pilot2ATC does (and you can adjust those limits) but not sure if BATC does.

Yes it does.

10 hours ago, BrammyH said:

It is off though. Just now it tried to get me to depart off runway 4 in KDCA in an a321. It's a 5000' runway. It took the wind direction of 60 as the deciding factor and ignored the airframe limitations. I've had this happen in KDCA before.

As Bob said, in this case I can now change the departure runway.

Now, these situations are the only times I will override BATC. It's gotten a lot better about these things, but there is a disconnect still between airframe type, runway length, and wind direction.

In the Battle of the 3 ATC Armies, I'm firmly in BATC's camp. But like all software, sometimes the logic needs help/

 

The problem is that you shouldn't have flown in KDCA at all with an A321. The minimum takeoff distance (which BATC does use) for an A321 is 7300 feet. None of the runways at KDCA fulfill this, so what happened was that BATC looked at both runways and said "no, not long enough" and then just assigned the one with the better winds, just in order to give you anything. This is an edge case here to be fair, because you really can't expect BATC to handle stuff correctly that would be straight out forbidden in real life.

What if you are flying an A321 with no passengers or cargo? It would not need anywhere near 7300 feet.

2 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

What if you are flying an A321 with no passengers or cargo? It would not need anywhere near 7300 feet.

That's true, but as I said: An edge case. BATC should have given the longer runway in any case, so it's good to file this as a bug report on Discord. I was just explaining how that happened and that BATC takes the official minimum takeoff distance as the lowest minimum.

This ATC add-on is so cool and realistic that I decided to explore & test its capabilities. I decided to start on the runway, requested take off and then picked up my clearance while airborne. I received vectors as normal and landed at my destination without a hitch. This ATC addon for MSFS 2020 is SICK!

4 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

The problem is that you shouldn't have flown in KDCA at all with an A321.

This is a fair point which I hadn't considered. I just tested this with an a319. Winds 30/3. It gave me runway 1 as expected.

5 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

The problem is that you shouldn't have flown in KDCA at all with an A321

Tell that to American, Delta and JetBlue!😁

17 hours ago, CFIJose said:

This is my first try at BATC and I'm delighted with my purchase. With this thread I was just hoping for some ideas on how to set up Simbrief to work well with BATC. I've done enough flights IRL to know how ATC works and I feel that the BATC dev team have done a great job so far. I'll continue to play around with Smbrief until I find the best way to create a flight, but I'm well aware that things can change and that's what makes this hobby even more fun.

Any problems are most likely to occur on arrival not departure because you'd think all of the various sources of data would agree on departure, but it may take you several hours to get to the other end, by which time they may have diverged.

It's probably wise (I don't always do it) is to look at the overall structure of arrival STARs.  Do some or all connect to multiple or all runways?  If so, they are preferable. 

The ones to be wary of are the ones that only connect to a single arrival runway.   If SimBrief is giving you one of those, it may be worth changing the SimBrief route to give you more options at the other end.

It's not always possible.  Faro in Portugal (LPFR) is a good case in point.  Coming from the north, routes run either to the east or west side.  It's not just the STAR, the whole route is dependent on which end of the runway is being used.

The good news is that BeyondATC will attempt to vector you to the right place but it can be a bit of a kerfuffle getting a different set of charts out and the relevant data into the FMC when you're also trying to manage height, speed and course.  After all, a simulated co-pilot isn't going to be much help as a real one would be! 

Beyond ATC does give you access to ATIS for the arrival airport.  If you listen to that just before TOD, then that will give you a chance to prepare.  I have to say though that some of the regional accents are quite challenging if that's the right word.  You may need to allow enough time to listen several times!

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, CFIJose said:

This ATC add-on is so cool and realistic that I decided to explore & test its capabilities. I decided to start on the runway, requested take off and then picked up my clearance while airborne. I received vectors as normal and landed at my destination without a hitch. This ATC addon for MSFS 2020 is SICK!

Been using Flight Sim ATC programs and was even a beta tester for a few of them. BATC is the best I have ever used. Wouldn't fly without it. 

20 hours ago, CFIJose said:

Simbrief automatically enters a runway. Are you entering the route manually?

No. I don't enter anything manually. I only add DEP and ARR. And that's actually 100% the truth because I always edit my previous flight (or better said: the current active in SB) because in that case I don't have to select the plane or ANYTHING. I only enter the DEP and ARR, after that I do check the suggested flightplan (mainly to see if SB has added a SID and STAR in case I really want that) and then I hit Generate. Couldn't be easier. I then load the plan into BATC and the G3000 (using the SimBrief EFB app in MSFS2024) and off I go. I only have to check if BATC is assigning me the same runways and procedures: if not, I change them (easily done in the G3000) and otherwise I simply use what is loaded into the G3000. (In 2020 I used to import SB plans without SID and STAR and entered them manually, depending on what BATC told me, but afaik the SB EFB app always loads the plan with SID and STAR... perhaps less realistic but well, it's quite convenient too. 😉 )

48 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Been using Flight Sim ATC programs and was even a beta tester for a few of them. BATC is the best I have ever used. Wouldn't fly without it. 

I am really interested in this software, but it is frustrating that I would not be able to use it with manually constructed flightplans, and preset weather. I prefer to fly in calm weather at all times, so the Live Weather prerequisite is a bit of an obstacle. I will have to think about it, and maybe even have a look at Simbrief to see what it can do. I do not doubt that it can create complex flightplans, but can it handle simple circuits at airports with user defined waypoints?

14 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

I am really interested in this software, but it is frustrating that I would not be able to use it with manually constructed flightplans, and preset weather. I prefer to fly in calm weather at all times, so the Live Weather prerequisite is a bit of an obstacle. I will have to think about it, and maybe even have a look at Simbrief to see what it can do. I do not doubt that it can create complex flightplans, but can it handle simple circuits at airports with user defined waypoints?

What Live Weather prerequisite?

1 hour ago, Christopher Low said:

I am really interested in this software, but it is frustrating that I would not be able to use it with manually constructed flightplans, and preset weather. I prefer to fly in calm weather at all times, so the Live Weather prerequisite is a bit of an obstacle. I will have to think about it, and maybe even have a look at Simbrief to see what it can do. I do not doubt that it can create complex flightplans, but can it handle simple circuits at airports with user defined waypoints?

Keep doing research. It's only a matter of time before you find the answers you seek.

2 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Been using Flight Sim ATC programs and was even a beta tester for a few of them. BATC is the best I have ever used. Wouldn't fly without it. 

I LOVE IT! It should be on every msfs 2020 simmers computer. I'd say it's a must have. An essential add-on.

1 hour ago, Bond said:

What Live Weather prerequisite?

BATC only works with real time life weather. It can't read the weather in the sim.