Approximate release date??? MS2020 or did I miss something.

I don’t think this is a big surprise. Just as PMDG evaluated that 2024 wasn’t quite ready for the prime time yet and released the 777F for 2020, ini have basically reached the same conclusion. 
 

Anyone who remembers FS2002 > 2004 > FSX and then P3D > 2020 will know that moving from a mature platform with scenery and add-ons and everything running smoothly takes time. We were after all stuck with FSX and P3D in its various incarnations from what, 2006 until 2020? That’s a long time to be standing still. 

I can definitely see the promise in 2024 but it’s still as buggy as heck, the mouse free look doesn’t even work properly and when it’s really not streaming well I might as well being playing Minecraft. 2020 will probably be most people’s go to sim for at least another 6-12 months. 

3 minutes ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

Approximate release date??? MS2020 or did I miss something.

No release date yet. There's going to be a big info dump this Saturday which will presumedly include that info.

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

2 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

No release date yet. There's going to be a big info dump this Saturday.

Thank you that is all I wanted to know.

The difference between between iniBuilds and PMDG is that ini are unblocked and more knowledgeable for *also* developing and releasing for 2024.

If 2024 was such an unusable bugfest (it's not) then the likes of ini, Fenix, etc wouldn't even be investing any time in maintaining and releasing 2024 versions of their birds.

7 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

No release date yet. There's going to be a big info dump this Saturday which will presumedly include that info.

I wouldn't get my hopes up for Saturday's info.  I have a feeling that they will probably show off some cool stuff, but then say that they have no release date.  I highly doubt at this point they even know when they might release it given now they may have to likely unwind quite a bit of development to make it work on 2020.   Given that they are releasing a 2 version product at the same time makes me think we're well into 2025 if that even works out.

 

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by Jeff Nielsen

19 minutes ago, Jeff Nielsen said:

I wouldn't get my hopes up for Saturday's info.  I have a feeling that they will probably show off some cool stuff, but then say that they have no release date.  I highly doubt at this point they even know when they might release it given now they may have to likely unwind quite a bit of development to make it work on 2020.   Given that they are releasing a 2 version product at the same time makes me think we're well into 2025 if that even works out.

 

Oh I know, I said as much earlier in the thread.

1 hour ago, ryanbatc said:

Well ini is a contractor for MS so.....

I think we all expected 2024 to have a smoother launch.  While there are some excellent new features, there are a HOST of bugs.  Some bugs were from early 2020 days.. it's almost like they uploaded an old build of 2020 for 2024 haha.

We're about a month in and it's still almost impossible to paint default aircraft, there are hardly any community mods, there are numerous bugs, even after the big patch 3... so a lot of people went back to 2020.

Heck I just made a post about my cpu RAM going to 46GB lol - that's insanity.  They need to optimize it better for use with community addons. 

That is exactly what they did. They forked the repo from 2020 whenever they started working on 2024 and never bothered to merge code later. We may have lost two years of bug fixing, which is amateur hour to the highest level. 

I think this is pretty good news.  I think the original assumption was FS2024 will pick up where FS2020 left off.  This is not the case currently.  FS2024 will eventually get there but any product released FS2024 only will likely suffer from delayed sales. 

1 hour ago, Aviator_2024 said:

Another prove that 2024 is in its alpha/beta stage. It’s not ready for developer planes because the corse sim is broken and massive stuttering after last patch. I have RTX 4090 I9 14900k

It prove nothing but financial viability! MSFS 2020 still bringing money .

P.S. I have I9 13900kf with RTX 4090 and no stutters after last patch. Go figure

3 hours ago, longhaul747 said:

I think the original assumption was FS2024 will pick up where FS2020 left off.  This is not the case currently.

It is for me. I uninstalled 2020 last week, no regrets, 99% of what I can do in 2020 I can do in 2024 so there was no reason to keep it.

Only thing I can't do is fly the 777, but that's fine there's a ton of other aircraft I can use until it's compatible.

7 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

It is for me. I uninstalled 2020 last week, no regrets, 99% of what I can do in 2020 I can do in 2024 so there was no reason to keep it.

Only thing I can't do is fly the 777, but that's fine there's a ton of other aircraft I can use until it's compatible.

I uninstalled 20 as well.  Pre patch I had a great flight in the FNX holding 60fps (medium end system).  There were mostly just UI bugs CTDing the sim (sim breaking but workable).  

Post patch is when it went down hill.  Still figured it might not be the end of the world hoping for a hot fix or scheduled patch in Jan sometime.

The only question is:  What is inibuilds seeing to make them want to release a 2020 version and release both versions at the same time?  It can't just be the customer comments.

At the end of the day, I still don't think we're in a 2020 release kind of situation....hopefully...where it took almost 2 years to get going.  So long as this can be fixed after the new year, I can wait.  I'll still buy the 350 even it means delaying the 'delivery' flight a bit.

8 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

It is for me. I uninstalled 2020 last week, no regrets, 99% of what I can do in 2020 I can do in 2024 so there was no reason to keep it.

Only thing I can't do is fly the 777, but that's fine there's a ton of other aircraft I can use until it's compatible.

For me when it works it works pretty good but currently more often than not all sorts of crazy stuff randomly happens.  Yesterday I did SFO-OGG in the A321LR.  The flight there was perfect and a lot of fun.  However the return flight halfway back to SFO it decided to fly due South randomly.  Ironically according to the instrumentation I was on course but I was really pointed towards Easter Island.  When I decided to take over manually and fly the proper course it literally hit a brick wall in the middle of the ocean and crashed the aircraft. 

I think it will be fine in 6 months to a year but right now its definitely buggy.  Reality is it does not work real great for most people but if it works well for you consider yourself very lucky.    

 

Like some of you, I've also uninstalled 2020.  I noticed an early comment regarding 2024 not ready for "study level" aircraft.

Well, you might want to chat to JF about that.  Their RJ range work beautifully in 2024 as well as the Fenix A320.

For me, the new sim works really well.  Better performance than 2020, and that raytracing.......like butter seeing those beautiful shadows from gauge housings, knobs and switches.  The lighting is incredible and some of these new native airports being produced are awesome.

Having a great time in 2024.

Jase

 

5 hours ago, micstatic said:

this is a very welcome decision.  I honestly thought it was a no brainer I'd be pivoting to 2024 at this point.  But now it's a big question despite already owning it.  

If you are doing free flight and you are doing it with a 3rd party plane like you would be with the upcoming A350 from iniBuilds, it works fairly well.  Not 100% bug free, but it's relatively stable, provided the plane you are using is free of bugs.

What's buggy is career mode and specific default planes.  For example, I fly with the Cessna 172 G1000 in free flight and it's fine.  Now if you fly with the PC-24, I have heard there are so many bugs with that, you won't enjoy it.

When the A350 from iniBUilds comes out, unless iniBuilds somehow introduces bugs specific to MSFS 2020 or bugs specific to MSFS 2024, I think it will fly fine in both simulators -  I doubt flying the A350 in MSFS 2024 will be that much worse than MSFS 2020.

Since you own MSFS 2024 already, just try it in both. And since you also own MSFS 2024, maybe try a plane that works well in MSFS 2024 already in free flight mode, you may be more surprised than you thought.