I dont use a microphone and use the "message button" to communicate with ATC. The fact that this button changes and becomes non-interactable to show transmissions and other message processes means it becomes like playing whack-a-mole trying to mouse-click it at the right time to get your message transmitted. In even moderately busy airspace, like others, Im finding it a bit of a challenge at times!

Perhaps a better solution would be to have a dedicated message button, that does not change from interactable status and that you can mouse-click any time to send your message. The message would then be queued for transmission to ATC when the channel is clear. FSHUD2.0 uses this method and it works well.

Edited December 24, 20241 yr by Vel

Question for anyone using BATCs injector along with FSLTL models.  It seems to me performance demand could be very substantial in having to have BATC fully manage traffic.  What's the reality of this in terms % impact on frame rate etc.

Well, having battled with Pilot2ATC for a year and - without criticising what is a very powerful product in the right hands - failing somewhere during the flight in probably 50% of the attempts, I have to say that BATC is like a breath of fresh air.  I'm in the category of very enthusiastic amateur rather than seasoned professional in my use of ATC and, clearly, that makes a difference.  And yes, I know BATC is not perfect yet, but that is made clear by the developers from the get-go.  And, for my needs, if it's going to get even better than this, then it's going to be simply great.

I also like the BATC developers' approach to introducing and developing the product - open, logical and carefully paced progress.  The live traffic recently introduced has exceeded my expectations and I can't wait for further integration of AI, per their recent announcement. 

So - maybe not perfect yet for all needs and user levels...but head and shoulders the best such facility I've personally used to date. 

14 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Where the heck is that, I don't have a BATC toolbar?

But as said already: this is only for the text in that window.

3 minutes ago, Noel said:

Question for anyone using BATCs injector along with FSLTL models.  It seems to me performance demand could be very substantial in having to have BATC fully manage traffic.  What's the reality of this in terms % impact on frame rate etc.

Well, I can only go by my own trials so far but, running MSFS2020 in VR and at a pretty high resolution, I must be at the upper fringes of CPI/GPU capability already.  And, so far, I have personally noticed no impact on performance.

Anyone else?

17 minutes ago, Vel said:

I dont use a microphone and use the "message button" to communicate with ATC. The fact that this button changes and becomes non-interactable to show transmissions and other message processes means it becomes like playing whack-a-mole trying to mouse-click it at the right time to get your message transmitted. In even moderately busy airspace, like others, Im finding it a bit of a challenge at times!

Perhaps a better solution would be to have a dedicated message button, that does not change from interactable status and that you can mouse-click any time to send your message. The message would then be queued for transmission to ATC when the channel is clear. FSHUD2.0 uses this method and it works well.

Well in a real aircraft often you have to wait for a clear spot, before transmitting, so that you don't step on someone elses communication. 

11 minutes ago, Noel said:

Question for anyone using BATCs injector along with FSLTL models.  It seems to me performance demand could be very substantial in having to have BATC fully manage traffic.  What's the reality of this in terms % impact on frame rate etc.

I saw a very definite performance impact before I was able to get downscaled FSLTL textures (4K to 2K) working in FS2024. SInce then, the only impact I find noticable is at the gate, during the initial BATC traffic spawn in at the airport. After that I cant see any stutters or pauses that I could attribute to BATC.

Note that the above is based purely on perception as I have not carried out any performance load or framerate tests. I probably would not be the best test case anyway as my system is getting long in the tooth and I cap my framerate to 30FPS.

11 minutes ago, mistolip said:

But as said already: this is only for the text in that window.

OK , just an on off switch, I have used before. 

1 minute ago, Bobsk8 said:

Well in a real aircraft often you have to wait for a clear spot, before transmitting, so that you don't step on someone elses communication. 

Agreed Bob but in a real aircraft you dont sit with a mouse pointer hovering over a button you cant click on, waiting for it to become clickable! 😁

Well...PSXT/RT traffic indulged me to the level that t i just cannot lower the standards. True, BATC is superb in terms of Pilot-to-ATC communications, but its traffic still needs improvements.  Even at EDDF I have very few arrivals. I counted 6 for 45 minutes, but there were a lot of departures with 10 set for arrivals. departures, enroute. I don't know, perhaps BATC balances total amount of traffic in the sim and tries not to overload the sim. 

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Where the heck is that, I don't have a BATC toolbar?

https://wiki.beyondatc.net/resources/?h=toolbar#software-downloads

3 hours ago, AJZip said:

Well, I can only go by my own trials so far but, running MSFS2020 in VR and at a pretty high resolution, I must be at the upper fringes of CPI/GPU capability already.  And, so far, I have personally noticed no impact on performance.

Anyone else?

Thanks for that.  I'm guessing the injector gives user control over number of aircraft similar to FSLTL's.  If so, what do you have that set to if you will? 

5 minutes ago, Noel said:

Thanks for that.  I'm guessing the injector gives user control over number of aircraft similar to FSLTL's.  If so, what do you have that set to if you will? 

I have mine currently set to Parked 4, Departure 3, Arrival 3 and Enroute 2.  Probably lower than what most use but I don't want nonstop chatter, especially enroute.  No issues with frames at all using FSLTL as priority and then AIG and JF Traffic.

3 hours ago, Vel said:

Agreed Bob but in a real aircraft you dont sit with a mouse pointer hovering over a button you cant click on, waiting for it to become clickable! 😁

You wait for an opening in the radio traffic and then push the Push to talk button, unless you like stepping on people. Same thing with BATC. Not rocket science. 

27 minutes ago, Flic1 said:

I have mine currently set to Parked 4, Departure 3, Arrival 3 and Enroute 2.  Probably lower than what most use but I don't want nonstop chatter, especially enroute.  No issues with frames at all using FSLTL as priority and then AIG and JF Traffic.

I have mine set for 3 on everything. Seems to work out fine.