I use 5-6 at major airports and crank it all up to 10 for small/medium airports.  I usually cruise with entourage traffic at 10.

19 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

You wait for an opening in the radio traffic and then push the Push to talk button, unless you like stepping on people. Same thing with BATC. Not rocket science. 

I'll try to explain it better Bob... Its not just about an opening in radio traffic. The "push to talk" button goes in and out of availability to press, based on what BATC is doing. There are times where there are indeed gaps in transmission BUT BATC is translating speech (i.e. the reply from the AI traffic) and thats what it says on the button and you cannot press it. Its the time where if it were indeed "push to talk" you would press it but its not available. Its really noticable in heavier traffic. Ive missed descent points (or just had to descend) because I cant get the button to be available long enough to press it...not from other chatter but BATC making the button unavailable while it translates or performs other radio related tasks.

I'll perhaps try reducing my sliders (I have everything on 5) and see if that helps)...or, increase yours to 5 and you'll maybe see what I mean ..😉

 

Server lag duplicate! Perhaps the transmit button is stuck 😁

Edited December 24, 20241 yr by Vel

A setting of 5 on all sliders seems to be the sweet spot for me right now. Working better and less chaotic at the default settings.

4 hours ago, Noel said:

Thanks for that.  I'm guessing the injector gives user control over number of aircraft similar to FSLTL's.  If so, what do you have that set to if you will? 

Yes it does.  I think I have mine set at 5.  Sounds modest but when you are approaching a busy airport, 5 aircraft being vectored in gets mighty busy 😉

 

27 minutes ago, AJZip said:

Yes it does.  I think I have mine set at 5.  Sounds modest but when you are approaching a busy airport, 5 aircraft being vectored in gets mighty busy 😉

 

Then lower it to 4 or 3. YMMV

17 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

The split frequencies that are introduced right now will reduce frequency congestion. otherwise I think you'd need to reduce the number a bit

ok  switched  back to voice was only  giving  the  button  version a go, found  using  voice is alot easier  than using  the  button now  every thing  is  good  again

Well, my experience so far is quite the opposite - very good !

Yesterday I purchased the FSHUD upgrade for FS 2024, but that was more like a way of also supporting that project, because presently I am more than fine with BATC!

I have completed some airline flights in the Fenix A320 CEO, always across Europe, and ATC was PERFECT! or almost ...

Used the default install suggested settings in terms of AI traffic density.

Am using FSLTL with BATC, and that's what I intend to use also with FSHUD - just have to find out how to reduce the texture sizes...

 

Edited December 25, 20241 yr by jcomm

I know I am 4 pages late to the game, but I will say this:

Years ago I was still flying on VATSIM. For some reason, after buying BATC, I don't have the urge any more, especially knowing they are coming with LLM next year. Even though it is scripted, I think it is well scripted. I have to be careful what I say and how I say it, but apart from that, it's a great experience combined with GSX. I am planning on getting FS2CREW maybe, to complete the experience, but honestly, I would rather talk to AI and have full coverage from ATIS to CENTER, than have merely 1-2 controllers at maybe my departure and/or destination and nothing in between. Furthermore, I am completely free where to fly to. Not dependent on whether there will be a controller or not.

VATSIM might be fun for some organized flights, when you get other people on the frequency and you talk, did that some 15 years ago on a transatlantic flight, but apart from that, when LLM releases, most likely never again.

And one thing I really like: in cruise, I can set BATC to completely automatically respond, and just listen to it unravel, if I wish so. I do have a real life too, family obligations etc. I simply need those options to at least half-realistically enjoy everything. Also 4x speed in Fenix helps. But with automatic ATC, I can go cook lunch or take care of kids, while FS is chugging along alone just as good and then come back to it. The essential options are here and they work. Work in progress? Of course, as is everything in FS world, and it has always been like that, since 2000 when I entered FS world.

Edited December 25, 20241 yr by Simon_C

8 minutes ago, Simon_C said:

I know I am 4 pages late to the game, but I will say this:

Years ago I was still flying on VATSIM. For some reason, after buying BATC, I don't have the urge any more, especially knowing they are coming with LLM next year. Even though it is scripted, I think it is well scripted. I have to be careful what I say and how I say it, but apart from that, it's a great experience combined with GSX. I am planning on getting FS2CREW maybe, to complete the experience, but honestly, I would rather talk to AI and have full coverage from ATIS to CENTER, than have merely 1-2 controllers at maybe my departure and/or destination and nothing in between. Furthermore, I am completely free where to fly to. Not dependent on whether there will be a controller or not.

VATSIM might be fun for some organized flights, when you get other people on the frequency and you talk, did that some 15 years ago on a transatlantic flight, but apart from that, when LLM releases, most likely never again.

And one thing I really like: in cruise, I can set BATC to completely automatically respond, and just listen to it unravel, if I wish so. I do have a real life too, family obligations etc. I simply need those options to at least half-realistically enjoy everything. Also 4x speed in Fenix helps. But with automatic ATC, I can go cook lunch or take care of kids, while FS is chugging along alone just as good and then come back to it. The essential options are here and they work. Work in progress? Of course, as is everything in FS world, and it has always been like that, since 2000 when I entered FS world.

I feel very much the same about everything. I can only fly in the evening and if I go on Vatsim, it means I can't step away to spend some time with my wife when the kids are in bed. With BATC I can do exactly what you described during cruise.

Just as a heads up to everyone in regards to the LLM: This will not replace the scripted engine. BATC will always remain scripted in its core engine (which does the instructions/controlling stuff), because LLMs can not do this (a LLM has no concept of states or of space, which is why e.g. SayIntentions often forgets about the user or thinks he's in a much different state of flight or thinks he's somewhere else etc.). The LLM will be added on top with BATC and it's really just for anything that's not "critical" / a request/instruction. Like asking for the expected runway (which is not the actual instruction yet) or for the weather. If the LLM gets something wrong there (e.g. because it hallucinates), it doesn't break the flight or anything.

My wish around LLM is not that it changes the core how BATC operates, but merely to get around some limitations current engine has, as in if you don't speak the exact words the engine is expecting, you get erroneous answer. I would still give it answer, but I think it will be beneficial if the engine "thinks" a bit. I believe that is what they are making. The LLM showcase has shown that very much, I believe.

Edited December 25, 20241 yr by Simon_C

15 hours ago, Vel said:

I'll try to explain it better Bob... Its not just about an opening in radio traffic. The "push to talk" button goes in and out of availability to press, based on what BATC is doing. There are times where there are indeed gaps in transmission BUT BATC is translating speech (i.e. the reply from the AI traffic) and thats what it says on the button and you cannot press it. Its the time where if it were indeed "push to talk" you would press it but its not available. Its really noticable in heavier traffic. Ive missed descent points (or just had to descend) because I cant get the button to be available long enough to press it...not from other chatter but BATC making the button unavailable while it translates or performs other radio related tasks.

I'll perhaps try reducing my sliders (I have everything on 5) and see if that helps)...or, increase yours to 5 and you'll maybe see what I mean ..😉

 

I use auto respond, so never have that problem. 

15 hours ago, AJZip said:

Yes it does.  I think I have mine set at 5.  Sounds modest but when you are approaching a busy airport, 5 aircraft being vectored in gets mighty busy 😉

This suggests to me its injector and traffic manager is significantly more demanding that straight FSLTL which I have set at only 10 IFR limit as I don't use Frame Gen normally and that's about where it needs to be to able to maintain my base native rate of 45 everywhere in every plane.  And it seems like many others run that limit much higher in FSLTL, but that is just a guess from what I've read.   

Does BATC look at Simbrief and take its runways from the OFP, or since it now does some traffic control or injecton does it just do what it wants to do based on conditions?  I haven't taken the plunge but think I will very soon.  Talking 2020 right now but 2024 in due time.

2 minutes ago, Noel said:

Does BATC look at Simbrief and take its runways from the OFP, or since it now does some traffic control or injecton does it just do what it wants to do based on conditions?  I haven't taken the plunge but think I will very soon.  Talking 2020 right now but 2024 in due time.

Don't know the answer but will try to find out and report back...