P3D V7 in 2025 or 2026?

[CAP1234]

18 hours ago, Daube said:

You mean PMDG does not make realistic addons anymore, but only eye candy à la Carenado and stuff for casual gamers ? Is that your view about MSFS users and 3rd party developers, really ? Wow

Quite frankly all of the planes released by PMDG on MSFS - I don't see any new features being added if you compare it to same airplanes they released for P3D - although I am not saying that PMDG has lowered their standards, I am not seeing any thing new on MSFS other then visual improvements. Look at their EFB which they released on MSFS later down the line - so vague and looks sort of cartoonish to me compared to the original EFB which was released on NGXu/777/747 on P3D. Ifly has better job there then PMDG. One could argue that many IRL operators customise their EFB - but PMDG should have done better then that. 

 

18 hours ago, Daube said:

The reason developers don't want to develop for P3D anymore is because of the disappearance of the CUSTOMERS. They don't want to spent several years developing a plane and finally sell only one to Ray. Instead, they preferred to continue to produce realistic addons and sell them to MSFS users who are interested. Even freeware devs moved over. What is it that is so difficult to understand for you here ?

That is what I said too - Many developers go where money grab is which is MSFS/MSFS 2024 right now. But one thing I did notice is many developers are not targeting any serious flight simmers anymore (like they used to do back in P3D days). Maybe it is do with whole entertainment side of things - at the end of the day neither is approved by CAA/FAA. 

18 hours ago, Daube said:

Now, if a new P3D iteration appears with interesting improvements that drag USERS / CUSTOMERS back to it, then some devs might come back because the market starts to exist again. But I'm not very optimistic about this.

Very unlikely - Many of these developers now look at P3D as some sort of old retro sim. Many don't even talk about it anymore, If P3D v7 really stands out to MSFS 2024 (again I am curious to find out how) then it is likely few people might transition back but those who have not used P3D before (Remember many folks went from FSX to MSFS) they might not transition at all. After all majority of user's understanding is P3D is not aimed at consumer market. 

Also remember that if developers don't update their addons for new P3D version - Then it does not matter how niche newer P3D version looks, without third party addons, it is still dead.  Almost 99% of my flying in P3D is on third party addon aircraft - if they are not available in new version, what would I be flying?

Edited January 7 by CAP1234

[sloppysmusic]

1 hour ago, Daube said:

I would try a workaround by simply renaming the "old" notepad.exe to some completely different name, so that Windows couldn't recognize it as some kind of key word or something.

I've uninstalled the new np , renamed, deleted EVEN taken sole possession of old NP so they cant delete it.

Still every week they replace my taskbar shortcut with the new version.

I even put the old version in a custom location! Which is why they can't delete it....

My old hammer still works. No need for someone to come into my home and replace it in the toolbox. When I delete I DELETE, rc bin is disabled. My temp notes I want GONE when I select CLOSE WITHOUT SAVING. :D

 

[dave2013]

I find it pretty amazing that some people will forgo getting P3Dv6 just because their PMDG or other addon planes won't work with it.

To me, it is far more important to have a realistic simulator with great scenery and performance rather than expensive payware planes that have all the little switches that in reality do nothing but activate a sound and illuminate a panel light.  Yes, their flight dynamics and readings may be a bit more true-to-life and they have an FMC, but that's just not all that important to me.

P3Dv6 is superior to v5, and especially v4, in several ways, mainly relating to performance and lighting.

This is, of course, my opinion and others will disagree.

I abandoned PMDG years ago as they are only about the money and I could not abide the arrogance of their staff, so I wouldn't buy their planes anyway even if they worked in v6.

This doesn't mean that I will never get MSFS 2024.  The realistic scenery is its most attractive feature for me, which is why I hope that LM does something similar with v7.  If it ever matures and the developers get all the bugs fixed, which they never managed to do with MSFS 2020, then I'll likely get it.

Dave

[sloppysmusic]

1 hour ago, CAP1234 said:

Look at their EFB which they released on MSFS later down the line - so vague and looks sort of cartoonish to me compared to the original EFB which was released on NGXu/777/747 on P3D.

I purchased MSFS 2020 in Feb this year and PMDG 737 . In august I paid almost $500 for p3dv5 pro and PMDG 777/747 ac I already owned in FSX .

The 747 was as SUBLIME as I remembered it. Yes that EFB was PERFECT. Systems over eye candy for me any day, but it looked fantastic too. Weather radar? thanks! Classic PMDG mouse scheme. Thanks!

[CAP1234]

1 hour ago, dave2013 said:

I find it pretty amazing that some people will forgo getting P3Dv6 just because their PMDG or other addon planes won't work with it

Unfortunately the way it stands - without third party addons, P3D is useless. None of default aircraft have any immersion/realistic avionics vs if you compare to MSFS default aircraft for example. I personally had to spent 100s of dollars to rebuy addons when I transitioned to P3D from FSX to make it enjoyable. 

Edited January 7 by CAP1234

[FPVSteve]

1 hour ago, sloppysmusic said:

I've uninstalled the new np , renamed, deleted EVEN taken sole possession of old NP so they cant delete it.

Still every week they replace my taskbar shortcut with the new version.

I even put the old version in a custom location! Which is why they can't delete it....

My old hammer still works. No need for someone to come into my home and replace it in the toolbox. When I delete I DELETE, rc bin is disabled. My temp notes I want GONE when I select CLOSE WITHOUT SAVING. 😄

 

New Notepad has a Settings icon (upper right of window) where you can choose the application behaviour so that it opens in new windows instead of tabs, as well as starting afresh when closing the windows instead of loading previous session content.

Might save your sanity if you check that out (although I get your point) 🙂 

[sloppysmusic]

1 hour ago, FPVSteve said:

Might save your sanity if you check that out (although I get your point)

that's worth knowing thanks! But now I'm in full war mode with MS now after taking away my choice so it's the old one till I expire :D

They took away WordPad too. Plus windows image preview (hacked that one back).

It never ends with those people!

My last work pc I built in 2016 and I paid for the pro licence when you could still lock windows down. That version is from 2017 and it works perfectly and exactly the same way every time I use it. It's so relaxing having a pc that always works the same when you need to get some work done. 

 

[Sparkrite]

3 hours ago, dave2013 said:

I find it pretty amazing that some people will forgo getting P3Dv6 just because their PMDG or other addon planes won't work with it

But they do work, at least my 737 and 747 do !

[Patco Lch]

2 hours ago, CAP1234 said:

I personally had to spent 100s of dollars to rebuy addons when I transitioned to P3D from FSX to make it enjoyable. 

Edited 1 hour ago by CAP1234

Me too. That’s why I’m so uninterested in moving to another platform regardless of how good it looks graphically. I bought V6 and MSFS more out of curiosity than any desire to completely migrate.

[Beardyman]

Some here say that V6 is way better than V5.

I have tried to find some YT videos to see those improvements.

First of all, V6 is so 'popular' that it is hard to find more than few videos.

Watched this one 

and honestly, i have no clue where V6 is improved and better than V5.

My V5 with Reshade tweaks looks even better than V6, and 'new' ground, scenery, buildings - still FSX ...

[dave2013]

2 hours ago, Beardyman said:

and honestly, i have no clue where V6 is improved and better than V5.

My V5 with Reshade tweaks looks even better than V6, and 'new' ground, scenery, buildings - still FSX ...

V6 has better lighting and reflections, and performs better overall.

I don't need any hacks or tweaks any more like with v5.  I don't need any shader addons.  I also don't need to use Nvidia Inspector to set the frame rate limit like I did with v5.

I still must use terrain addons like ORBX Global and Landclass, as well as Freemesh 2.0, but that's it.  Active Sky P3Dv6 and ASCA work great as well for weather and clouds.

Dave

[Patco Lch]

I do think the way aircraft handle and react to atmospheric conditions “seems” a little more realistic to me in V6. Especially up and down drafts in relation to terrain and that’s without the realturb addon. 

Edited January 7 by Patco Lch

[CO2Neutral]

I’d have no problem buy P3D V7 and one really good aircraft (say MJC Q400) if the out of box experience with ATC, scenery, physics, weather was better than anything else on the market.  On the visual side, I’d prefer accurate visuals not the game like cinematic visuals in MSFS.

[Beardyman]

8 hours ago, dave2013 said:

V6 has better lighting and reflections, and performs better overall.

I don't need any hacks or tweaks any more like with v5.  I don't need any shader addons.  I also don't need to use Nvidia Inspector to set the frame rate limit like I did with v5.

I still must use terrain addons like ORBX Global and Landclass, as well as Freemesh 2.0, but that's it.  Active Sky P3Dv6 and ASCA work great as well for weather and clouds.

Dave

As I see video, for me there is nothing incentive in V6, thus I am sceptical about V7. LM is like Aerosoft - they are unable to change and create fidelity product.

[Daube]

4 hours ago, CO2Neutral said:

 On the visual side, I’d prefer accurate visuals not the game like cinematic visuals in MSFS.

Could we stop with these non-sense comments please ?