17 hours ago, Amrick615 said:

Does anyone here resonate with what I am saying? What was the switch like for you all?

Yes it resonates.  I would go directly to MSFS2024, but there's no prohibition to keeping P3D installed also.  But I see no point in you learning 2020, only to get 2024 a short time later.  

MSFS2024's free flight is stable right now.  Like you, I am not interested in gamey stuff, so I just ignore those things and stick with free flight.   The rest of it seems to be the source of the bug reports primarily, so sticking with free flight for now seems like the way to go anyway.

4 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I would stay away from this type of negativity about 2024.  SU1 has cleared up a lot of the initial problems and is now much more stable.  I think it would be counter productive to spend money on 2020 when 2024 is clearly the better sim.  2020 has been a wonderful sim, but there are just too many upgrades in 2024 to suggest now is the time to invest in 2020.

Excepted the SU1 is not released yet (it's in beta and many bugs are still present, especially for VR users) and the topic author already has MSFS2020 installed. So for him, investing in MSFS2024 right now is not a good idea. It *might* become a good idea very soon, but not right now.

If you jump on FS2024 you'll have the chance to help make it what it will become. 

FSX / P3D didn't give you that option.

dd

Edited February 10, 20251 yr by Sky_Pilot071

13 hours ago, luis70 said:

I went from P3d to MSFS 2020 about seven months ago and once I had everything configured I didn't want to go back to P3d, and in less than a month I deleted it from my computer. I recommend that you make the transition. You won't regret it. MSFS 2020 is a great simulator.

I deleted P3D back when I was really short on disk space.

Then I realized how much I missed flying a few very Hi Fi add-ons that are unavailable or that I don't own in other sims (MilViz T-38C, A2A Civ Mustang, PMDG 747-8, etc).

So when I bought a new expansion drive, I made sure it i spent a little more to give room for P3D, True Earth, and those add-ons.

I make a few flights in P3D on the regular and have a good time. My only "problem" is wishing the scenery could be better 😁

I have both P3d v5.4 and MSFS 2024.  If I want to fly and enjoy "eye candy", I fire up MSFS.  If I want realism, and enjoy a long flight, I fire up P3d.  After all, the Military can't be wrong when they choose realism.  They use Lockheed Martin and P3d.

Both MSFS 2020 and MSFS 2024 do look like games and catering to Xbox kind of admits that.  I do enjoy both for VERY different reasons.

 

Edited February 10, 20251 yr by spilok

1 minute ago, spilok said:

I have both P3d v5.4 and MSFS 2024.  If I want to fly and enjoy "eye candy", I fire up MSFS.  If I want realism, and enjoy a long flight, I fire up P3d.  After all, the Military can't be wrong when they choose realism.  They use Lockheed Martin and P3d.

+1

Summed up in a nutshell!

45 minutes ago, spilok said:

If I want realism, and enjoy a long flight, I fire up P3d.  After all, the Military can't be wrong when they choose realism.  They use Lockheed Martin and P3d.

Perhaps because at the time the military made their selection P3D was the only one available for licensing commercial use.

56 minutes ago, spilok said:

I have both P3d v5.4 and MSFS 2024.  If I want to fly and enjoy "eye candy", I fire up MSFS.  If I want realism, and enjoy a long flight, I fire up P3d.  After all, the Military can't be wrong when they choose realism.  They use Lockheed Martin and P3d.

Both MSFS 2020 and MSFS 2024 do look like games and catering to Xbox kind of admits that.  I do enjoy both for VERY different reasons.

 

These days when you talk about realism it is the world and not simply aviation.

dd

17 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Yeah, real life does tend to get in the way of pixel planes.

Not for JBDB - He holds tight to P3D, the only true simulator

lol

22 minutes ago, Matt Sdeel said:

Perhaps because at the time the military made their selection P3D was the only one available for licensing commercial use.

Nothing holding them back to switch.  Not happening 

6 hours ago, tamba765 said:

Todavía uso P3D, pero conseguiré MSFS en cuanto esté fabricada mi nueva máquina, dentro de un mes aproximadamente. No tiene sentido hacerlo hasta entonces. De todos modos, soy un tipo de PC que utiliza controles de aeronaves realistas y no me interesa utilizar un controlador de Xbox para pilotear aviones. Como ex piloto de aerolínea, el realismo es primordial para mí. Tengo curiosidad por saber qué piensan ustedes sobre la dirección que está tomando MSFS con respecto a si se está optimizando para Xbox y si las PC van a jugar un papel secundario con respecto a la funcionalidad de simulación. No estoy criticando nada aquí y alegaré ignorancia. Solo me interesa conocer la opinión de todos sobre el tema. Gracias.

Even if they tell you otherwise there are obvious sacrifices to make it work on Xbox (m, both by Microsoft and many developers to make their software work on Xbox.

Other developers discard that compatibility in exchange for producing very high fidelity addons.

For the OP my advice is that if you want to simulate with the best you can't have just one simulator. I use XP12, 2024, DCS and Falcom BMS, and run8. I don't have P3D because my economy doesn't allow me any more simulators.

In the end this is like when you drive several vehicles of a company fleet, it is a little more uncomfortable at the beginning but in the end you feel at home with any of vehicles.

7 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

For the OP my advice is that if you want to simulate with the best you can't have just one simulator. I use XP12, 2024, DCS and Falcom BMS, and run8. I don't have P3D because my economy doesn't allow me any more simulators.

In the end this is like when you drive several vehicles of a company fleet, it is a little more uncomfortable at the beginning but in the end you feel at home with any of vehicles.

Now factor in the rest of the planet for folks like me.  Always a free-flightier in the HJet but I bet I get into the Career Mode at some date .  How can you not?

dd

Edited February 11, 20251 yr by Sky_Pilot071

1 hour ago, spilok said:

I have both P3d v5.4 and MSFS 2024.  If I want to fly and enjoy "eye candy", I fire up MSFS.  If I want realism, and enjoy a long flight, I fire up P3d.  After all, the Military can't be wrong when they choose realism.  They use Lockheed Martin and P3d.

Both MSFS 2020 and MSFS 2024 do look like games and catering to Xbox kind of admits that.  I do enjoy both for VERY different reasons.

 

Disclaimer: P3D is a fine simulator. I have it and still use it in v5. And I even use one of the add-ons that the .mil uses.

The military doesn't use P3D because of it's "realism" relative to the other major flight sims.

They use it because of their huge sunk costs into not just the simulator (probs through LockheedM), but the types of massive multi-user pre-stagedt raining scenarios that are possible, the security of the network links, the flexibility of players being able to use not only planes, but tanks, ships and control towers, etc.

And .mil exercises aren't focused in on flight models and ground handling. They care about accurate cockpit switchology (which is a feature of add-ons, not the sim), real time communications, and multi-domain team training.

It's kinda like the same reason they've been flying the T-38 Talon for the last 50+ years: they own a bunch of them and they work "good enough".

But the Talons aren't the best trainers out there in any regards, and they haven't been for quite awhile...

I.e., the main reasons the military uses Prepar3D has extraordinarily little relation to the single user desktop based consumer experience that the vast majority of us enjoy.

So, unless you're flying a very Hi Fi add-on that's only available in P3D, you can have just as realistic, if not moreso, an experience in the other sims.

Edited February 11, 20251 yr by UrgentSiesta

52 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

I use XP12, 2024, DCS and Falcon BMS

Wow! Falcon4 + BMS - now *that* was a sim and and a half!!!! Fond memories of multiplayer sessions with that one!