May 6, 20251 yr 4 hours ago, martinboehme said: Look at how long it took them to port their aircraft to MSFS compared to other developers. /// Consider how long it's been since they've actually brought a new aircraft type to market, Agree with most of your post except for this. PMDG were either the second or third to release a high fidelity airliner for MSFS. And the time separating those first handful of airliner releases was literally just 2-3 weeks. And let's not forget the significant leg up Fenix had by incorporating the ProSim avionics... /// Leonardo have only ever brought the MD-80 to market, across multiple sims. TFDi only 2, same with FS Labs (and an argument could be made only 1-ish), et al. I don't mind constructive criticism of PMDG, because they clearly have issues many other devs do not. But I don't think it's a "can't", but rather a "won't". Outwardly, they seem like they're extremely wed to their coding methodologies. Which can be a good thing unless taken to extremes...
May 6, 20251 yr 5 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said: And let's not forget the significant leg up Fenix had by incorporating the ProSim avionics... /// Even then they've got rid of it and rebuilt it from scratch, still had problems and got round it even with no help. At least they don't keep blaming Asobo.
May 6, 20251 yr 36 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said: Even then they've got rid of it and rebuilt it from scratch, still had problems and got round it even with no help. At least they don't keep blaming Asobo. For sure. It was not to discredit Fenix, but just to show that PMDG were right in the race with every other Hi Fi airliner dev. 🤙
May 6, 20251 yr 6 hours ago, jon b said: If you’ve not flown through wire frame mountains, you’ve not flown ! I seem to remember endless Hexagons from Merrill C.Meigs Field out west, and then maybe some excitement of wireframe mountains, but my memory is hazy.
May 6, 20251 yr 6 hours ago, ahsmatt7 said: I tend to not agree with the OPs use of hyperbole in other threads and posts of his but this thread is spot on. I couldn’t agree more with him. Secondly, RSR mentioned they “tuned” the fbw logic with the new release of the -200ER and that it will carry over to the -300ER in 2024. However, still feels the same. I cannot imagine that the real 777 would ever fly the way the PMDG simulation flies. Disclaimer: Im a captain on the 737 in the real world and am also typed on the 757/767. I have never touched the 777. Interesting. I'd like to know if what I was experiencing with the 772 in 2024 Sunday is what is being described. A wind about 25 knots on the starboard side and the plane was, I guess I can only describe it as doing micro trembling? This was not turbulence. But the behaviour of the plane seemed quite almost cartoonish in behaviour. Maybe my description doesn't do it justice. Ryzen 7 5800x, 64gb, 7900XTX 24gb
May 7, 20251 yr Just started to learn PMDG 777s and was really surprised there is no RNP mode indication on the PFD. 737 has it as well as 747 but 777? 🤔
May 7, 20251 yr Commercial Member On 5/6/2025 at 8:59 AM, LRBS said: This feature is creating quick/abrupt pitch oscillations and failing to provide accurate and realistic behavior during C*U control law in hand-flying conditions, and it still has not been resolved. Interesting. Apparently your are on to something. Still, it would be interesting to better understand the issue or, i.e. get a more precise and technical explanation about what is going wrong. So if you watch the following video (and the author apparently is less critical due to his role in the PMDG team), can you tell the position in the video, that would highlight the issue? Is he overlooking the issue you mention or does it not occur in his video? Question does also go to @ahsmatt7
May 7, 20251 yr 6 hours ago, Vitold69 said: Just started to learn PMDG 777s and was really surprised there is no RNP mode indication on the PFD the NPS is there. But you need a valid FMS route for the lateral scale and vertical scale won't appear until FMS computed ToD. If it is still hidden it might be due to company option perhaps? (which is odd, since the RNP specification outlines exactly that: a continous indication of lateral deviation) (image from A330Driver's recent 777-200ER video linke below) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Eymtqap_5I EASA PPL SEPL + NQ / CB-IR in progress MSFS24 | X-Plane 12
May 7, 20251 yr Author 4 hours ago, fsiscool said: Interesting. Apparently your are on to something. Still, it would be interesting to better understand the issue or, i.e. get a more precise and technical explanation about what is going wrong. So if you watch the following video (and the author apparently is less critical due to his role in the PMDG team), can you tell the position in the video, that would highlight the issue? Is he overlooking the issue you mention or does it not occur in his video? Question does also go to @ahsmatt7 Unfortunately, even after such a long time since the 737 release, the airplane still has issues, and this guy will not acknowledge them and insists that it is OK, although he was previously qualified in type. He reminds me of Jack of all trades, master of none, and is PMDG biased. We have another real pilot here, a current, qualified, and checked airman who can also confirm the issues. Now, as I mentioned about the 777, systems-wise, the FBW and this trim speed are adequately designed, but the execution is flawed, leading to some pitch flight instabilities—totally unrealistic pitch oscillations, which, in real life, the airplane remains very stable. I would like to share with you the following: this airplane is very stable in any regime changes (as some will say that it flies on rails), when you disconnect the AP, the airplane flies without any pitch changes or requires no trim adjustments if there is no speed deviation within +/- 8 KTS or so. I don't remember exactly the speed variance. The trimming function of this airplane is working like any other, with the exception of the trim speed function. This function and how it operates is so subtle and behind the scenes that we neither see it nor feel it. There are old CBT videos on YouTube that you can watch to get an idea. It's impossible to conduct a ground school on a forum about systems that, in real life, take days. The information available here is often very simple and brief, and it can be pretty difficult to understand at times. Please refer me to a time stamp in this video to see if I can make an assessment. NEW NOTE I was able to watch this video. Actually, he's explaining correctly. What I noticed and see here on this video, especially at time 13.34, are those big abrupt pitch variations (overcorrecting) between 2,5 to 3 degrees. As I mentioned, the real airplane doesn't do it like that. Now, at 16.45, those pitch variations are almost unnoticeable and smooth. This is how the airplane flies: smooth and stable. Perhaps something intermittent in coding is creating those problems. I don't know, but for sure, something is amiss. Also, I would like to share with you that these issues are not new to them. We brought this to their attention since P3D, MSFS2020, and now we have discovered the same issue with MSFS2024. Edited May 7, 20251 yr by LRBS 747 Captain for the last 39 years, and still learning.
May 7, 20251 yr 48 minutes ago, LRBS said: Unfortunately, even after such a long time since the 737 release, the airplane still has issues, and this guy will not acknowledge them and insists that it is OK, although he was previously qualified in type. He reminds me of Jack of all trades, master of none, and is PMDG biased. We have another real pilot here, a current, qualified, and checked airman who can also confirm the issues. Now, as I mentioned about the 777, systems-wise, the FBW and this trim speed are adequately designed, but the execution is flawed, leading to some pitch flight instabilities—totally unrealistic pitch oscillations, which, in real life, the airplane remains very stable. I would like to share with you the following: this airplane is very stable in any regime changes (as some will say that it flies on rails), when you disconnect the AP, the airplane flies without any pitch changes or requires no trim adjustments if there is no speed deviation within +/- 8 KTS or so. I don't remember exactly the speed variance. The trimming function of this airplane is working like any other, with the exception of the trim speed function. This function and how it operates is so subtle and behind the scenes that we neither see it nor feel it. There are old CBT videos on YouTube that you can watch to get an idea. It's impossible to conduct a ground school on a forum about systems that, in real life, take days. The information available here is often very simple and brief, and it can be pretty difficult to understand at times. Please refer me to a time stamp in this video to see if I can make an assessment. +1
May 7, 20251 yr Commercial Member 1 hour ago, LRBS said: Unfortunately, even after such a long time since the 737 release, the airplane still has issues, and this guy will not acknowledge them and insists that it is OK, although he was previously qualified in type. He reminds me of Jack of all trades, master of none, and is PMDG biased. We have another real pilot here, a current, qualified, and checked airman who can also confirm the issues. Now, as I mentioned about the 777, systems-wise, the FBW and this trim speed are adequately designed, but the execution is flawed, leading to some pitch flight instabilities—totally unrealistic pitch oscillations, which, in real life, the airplane remains very stable. I would like to share with you the following: this airplane is very stable in any regime changes (as some will say that it flies on rails), when you disconnect the AP, the airplane flies without any pitch changes or requires no trim adjustments if there is no speed deviation within +/- 8 KTS or so. I don't remember exactly the speed variance. The trimming function of this airplane is working like any other, with the exception of the trim speed function. This function and how it operates is so subtle and behind the scenes that we neither see it nor feel it. There are old CBT videos on YouTube that you can watch to get an idea. It's impossible to conduct a ground school on a forum about systems that, in real life, take days. The information available here is often very simple and brief, and it can be pretty difficult to understand at times. Please refer me to a time stamp in this video to see if I can make an assessment. NEW NOTE I was able to watch this video. Actually, he's explaining correctly. What I noticed and see here on this video, especially at time 13.34, are those big abrupt pitch variations (overcorrecting) between 2,5 to 3 degrees. As I mentioned, the real airplane doesn't do it like that. Now, at 16.45, those pitch variations are almost unnoticeable and smooth. This is how the airplane flies: smooth and stable. Perhaps something intermittent in coding is creating those problems. I don't know, but for sure, something is amiss. Also, I would like to share with you that these issues are not new to them. We brought this to their attention since P3D, MSFS2020, and now we have discovered the same issue with MSFS2024. Thanks a ton!
May 7, 20251 yr Author 10 minutes ago, fsiscool said: Thanks a ton! You are welcome. Also, check this one before it gets deleted. https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/microsoft-flight-simulator-2020-2024-products-discussion/pmdg-777/autoflight-manual-flight-navigation-aa/344743-hand-flying-the-777f-in-pitch 747 Captain for the last 39 years, and still learning.
May 7, 20251 yr 5 hours ago, Stoopy said: Would it be better if MSSCENERY released a 777? Maybe im reading this wrong but what are you trying to say here?
May 7, 20251 yr Author 2 hours ago, LEFTSEAT said: +1 I found this video, hand-flown to see how smooth this airplane is, not that nonsense that A330 driver and PMDG claims to be OK. See time 23.30 please 747 Captain for the last 39 years, and still learning.
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