I am beyond belief that this company is still not fixing this particular PMDG BOEING 777 after such a long time. Why?

 

Understandably, a software might have bugs and certain issues after release, and most developers will release patches and product improvements.

 

Unfortunately, at PMDG, this 777 has been known since  P3D, MSFS2020, and now for MSFS2024,  to have this big bug related to the wrong implementation of the trim speed feature carried over from one platform to the other consistently during all these years. This feature is creating quick/abrupt pitch oscillations and failing to provide accurate and realistic behavior during C*U control law in hand-flying conditions, and it still has not been resolved. 

 

THE REAL AIRPLANE IN REAL LIFE DURING SPEED AND CONFIGURATION CHANGES, IT IS VERY STABLE AND IT DOES NOT FLY LIKE THIS.

 

Real pilots brought this problem to their attention SINCE the 1990s, and stubbornly, even today, it has not been fixed.

 

Very upsetting to see them in such a state of denial, stubbornly continuing on this path.

 

 

probably the best chance for a better outcome would be if you take your complaints directly to the pmdg forum or file a ticket with them, instead of harping on this over and over again in a flight sim nerd's forum.

or better yet, create your own c*u control law wrapper or develop your own 777 for msfs and show pmdg how it's done.

    

 

53 minutes ago, LRBS said:

I am beyond belief that this company is still not fixing this particular PMDG BOEING 777 after such a long time. Why?

 

Understandably, a software might have bugs and certain issues after release, and most developers will release patches and product improvements.

 

Unfortunately, at PMDG, this 777 has been known since  P3D, MSFS2020, and now for MSFS2024,  to have this big bug related to the wrong implementation of the trim speed feature carried over from one platform to the other consistently during all these years. This feature is creating quick/abrupt pitch oscillations and failing to provide accurate and realistic behavior during C*U control law in hand-flying conditions, and it still has not been resolved. 

 

THE REAL AIRPLANE IN REAL LIFE DURING SPEED AND CONFIGURATION CHANGES, IT IS VERY STABLE AND IT DOES NOT FLY LIKE THIS.

 

Real pilots brought this problem to their attention SINCE the 1990s, and stubbornly, even today, it has not been fixed.

 

Very upsetting to see them in such a state of denial, stubbornly continuing on this path.

 

 

Do you get agreement on the PMDG forum?

I do not think that he is allowed on the PMDG forum, so I can understand his frustration if he thinks that something is wrong.

4 hours ago, kdfw__ said:

probably the best chance for a better outcome would be if you take your complaints directly to the pmdg forum or file a ticket with them, instead of harping on this over and over again in a flight sim nerd's forum.

or better yet, create your own c*u control law wrapper or develop your own 777 for msfs and show pmdg how it's done.

    

 

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/microsoft-flight-simulator-2020-2024-products-discussion/pmdg-777/autoflight-manual-flight-navigation-aa/344743-hand-flying-the-777f-in-pitch

 

Casual DDowns claiming nothing is wrong like usual. Just keeps telling PMDG what they want to hear. Narcissist behaviour 

Please use your full name and we're busy copying and pasting from old aircraft and charging our customers a mint.

37 minutes ago, LRBS said:

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/microsoft-flight-simulator-2020-2024-products-discussion/pmdg-777/autoflight-manual-flight-navigation-aa/344743-hand-flying-the-777f-in-pitch

 

Friend, I just scanned that thread and I concur with your assessment. Also tracks with my experience with PMDG forums for literally decades and as the thread shows, you are not alone.  I’m not sure if you are a driver IRL, but more than one Trip 7 driver says the FBW logic around trim speed is borked yet that assessment seems to fall on deaf ears at PMDG.  Remember, denial ain’t just a river in Egypt LoL

-B

Has been wrong since it was released for FSX...

Is plain wrong in the FS 2020 773...

Not going to spend my good money on it just to find out it continues to be wrong as ever 😕

Edited May 6, 20251 yr by jcomm

Fortunately, I'm not a pilot and remain in blissful ignorance of flaws in consumer sim models. I can imagine what I'd think of VW Golf simulation on my PC.

I recommend that people who distrust a "copy and paste" vendor should stop buying their products, especially on the first day. Don't trust reviews and wait for user feedback. Nothing boosts quality control better than poor sales figures.

 

5 hours ago, LRBS said:

I am beyond belief that this company is still not fixing this particular PMDG BOEING 777 after such a long time. Why?

I fear the reason is not that they don't understand there's a problem or don't want to fix it, but that they aren't able to.

Witness how long they've been working on RNP AR and still don't have something that works properly (or so I understand - it's been a long time since I've bought a PMDG product). Look at how long it took them to port their aircraft to MSFS compared to other developers. Consider how long it's been since they've actually brought a new aircraft type to market, or how long it took them to release the universal flight tablet.

As much as it pains me to say it, my feeling is that PMDG these days is not very effective at developing software.

5 hours ago, LRBS said:

 

 

Real pilots brought this problem to their attention SINCE the 1990s, and stubbornly, even today, it has not been fixed.

 

 

 

 

What? the first iteration of PMDG777 was released for FSX in 2011, if I'm not mistaken.

24 minutes ago, btacon said:

 I’m not sure if you are a driver IRL, but more than one Trip 7 driver says the FBW logic around trim speed is borked yet that assessment seems to fall on deaf ears at PMDG.  Remember, denial ain’t just a river in Egypt LoL

-B

Yes, I was on the 777 for two years and trained pilots. Thank you for your kind words. I hope they will resolve this for their own sake and customer satisfaction. 

3 minutes ago, LRBS said:

Yes, I was on the 777 for two years and trained pilots. Thank you for your kind words. I hope they will resolve this for their own sake and customer satisfaction. 

I'm not IRL 777 driver, but I have purchased each 777 iteration since 2015 (P3D) and for a lack of alternative,  I haven't been more happier. 

It's a sim, and this sim has its limits.

6 minutes ago, G-YMML1 said:

What? the first iteration of PMDG777 was released for FSX in 2011, if I'm not mistaken.

NO, I was wrong, my apologies. In 2013.