1 hour ago, Christopher Low said:

Yes, but you need sufficient power in the first place for that to happen.

Well, that’s a given regardless of the sim, right?

right now, Falcon 4 and FSX run like scalded cats, whereas they used to be performance hogs…

I guess my point is that v2024 is giving me better performance AND better visuals AND better actual simulation than I got with v2020. 

This is in contrast to  X-Plane 12, where the performance is somewhat worse than X-Plane 11, etc.  

so it should be a no brainer for anyone to upgrade to v2024, or downgrade to a much older sim, depending on specific situations. 
 

 

45 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

I never accused you of lying (check back, and prove it with a quote if I did.)

YOU, responded this way about my commentary that ALL of my add-ons work in 2024 save PMDG 738, and YOU replied:  "That might be the situation for you and your addons maybe."  Might?  Maybe?  You're clearly insinuating my statement was false or I'm lying, else you would not have come back with that statement questioning the authenticity of my claims. 

YOU stated Jorg said VIRTUALLY all add-ons would be compatible w/ 2024, and by most accounts I read indeed most addons do work, unchanged and even un-updated.  In a piece of software this complex, and two versions of it in 2020 & 2024 no less, it's remarkable as many addons do indeed work well, including apps that only interact with MSFS like GSX, SLC, BATC, etc.  All work at least as good as they do in 2020.  And here again is the comment I call NONSENSE, and to me it makes no sense unless you're demanding absolute perfection:

"We were told, (by the God Jorg himself) that virtually all 2020 add-ons would be compatible with 2024.  That hasn't quite worked out well up to now has it?"

I'll reply again:  yes, it's worked out shockingly well as MOST add ons work well w/ no updates in 2024.  Perfect?  Of course not.   

On 8/3/2025 at 6:24 AM, St Mawgan said:

I don't see it as wasting money even if I only get to enjoy it for a few years. Life is too short to worry about such things. 

Amen.  Or even a few flights - which has happened to some of my addons hehe.

On 8/3/2025 at 6:20 AM, chickster25 said:

The point is that there is new sceneries arriving in the marketplace all the time but who is going to buy it when MS can turn off the platform at any time. 
 

it’s an inherent problem with cloud based services, not just MSFS but I don’t have money to waste on products I will lose. It’s a shame for those who don’t have money to spare 

Virtually none of the products you are worried about are necessary for a good experience. 

Honestly the vast majority of aftermarket stuff is garbage anyway.

I find it a waste of money to purchase any scenery I may never fly over more than a couple of times, especially from 30,000'. My local scenery or airport could be a purchase option but it really doesn't add any value to the game.

The game includes a ton of free airplanes and scenery updates from time to time.

The only marketplace items worth even a look at are aircraft.

When software gets updated and breaks older add-ons that is something that isn't new.

 

20 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I just tried the latest demo of XP 12 yesterday, thanks, but no thanks. 

The demo sucks but once you load up free map enhancement and free simheaven it's a pretty good sim.  The skies can look on par with MSFS or even better at times.

1 hour ago, bobcat999 said:

Not sure why you are misquoting me so often unless it is a genuine mistake, or just want to be argumentative for no reason.

Or maybe it’s his agenda 😉 

1 hour ago, Noel said:

YOU, responded this way about my commentary that ALL of my add-ons work in 2024 save PMDG 738, and YOU replied:  "That might be the situation for you and your addons maybe."  Might?  Maybe?  You're clearly insinuating my statement was false or I'm lying, else you would not have come back with that statement questioning the authenticity of my claims. 

YOU stated Jorg said VIRTUALLY all add-ons would be compatible w/ 2024, and by most accounts I read indeed most addons do work, unchanged and even un-updated.  In a piece of software this complex, and two versions of it in 2020 & 2024 no less, it's remarkable as many addons do indeed work well, including apps that only interact with MSFS like GSX, SLC, BATC, etc.  All work at least as good as they do in 2020.  And here again is the comment I call NONSENSE, and to me it makes no sense unless you're demanding absolute perfection:

"We were told, (by the God Jorg himself) that virtually all 2020 add-ons would be compatible with 2024.  That hasn't quite worked out well up to now has it?"

I'll reply again:  yes, it's worked out shockingly well as MOST add ons work well w/ no updates in 2024.  Perfect?  Of course not.   

OK.

Edited August 4, 2025Aug 4 by bobcat999

1 hour ago, tpete61 said:

Virtually none of the products you are worried about are necessary for a good experience. 

Honestly the vast majority of aftermarket stuff is garbage anyway.

I find it a waste of money to purchase any scenery I may never fly over more than a couple of times, especially from 30,000'. My local scenery or airport could be a purchase option but it really doesn't add any value to the game.

The game includes a ton of free airplanes and scenery updates from time to time.

The only marketplace items worth even a look at are aircraft.

When software gets updated and breaks older add-ons that is something that isn't new.

 

I generally agree, especially when it comes to payware scenery (much of which is outstanding, but the $$$ adds up quickly). 

flightsim.to is (for me) the perfect balance of value & variety. 

3 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

I generally agree, especially when it comes to payware scenery (much of which is outstanding, but the $$$ adds up quickly). 

flightsim.to is (for me) the perfect balance of value & variety. 

The greatest thing about MSFS is that the vast majority of the default airports look pretty good. Spending $15-25 for one  payware airport, that you might fly to and land at  once a year, in my opinion, is just throwing money away. In almost 4 years, I think I have purchased at the most 4 airports, and I don't even fly to those very often. 

Edited August 4, 2025Aug 4 by Bobsk8

1 hour ago, ryanbatc said:

The demo sucks but once you load up free map enhancement and free simheaven it's a pretty good sim.  The skies can look on par with MSFS or even better at times.

The only thing I liked about XP 12 was the way they have setting up  controls, other than that, it seemed everything was pretty dismal compared to what I am flying now. 

HELP ME, I'm Drowning!!!

     I've been reading posts in this forum, not just in this thread, for several months now. Frankly I'm not sure which way to turn.

 

    I'm still a P3D user but, I'm planning to switch over to MSFS next month when my new high-end machine is built. The one good thing about P3D is that if I have a hiccup in my internet connection, I don't lose anything, except a temporary loss of Active Sky or Navigraph. One of the bad things is that the addon scenery you have is all you're ever gonna get. Runway designations and construction, terminal expansions like KDEN, and total rebuilds like KSLC will never be available. I know that ADE can be used to update some of these things, but I'm not that ambitious and it really doesn't seem like it's worth the effort at this point. 

     I see a lot of arguments and sometimes name calling in these forums, but there's also tons of information available. One guy says 2020 is better and 2024 is garbage The other guy says 2024 works great for him and that he'd never go back. Granted, user errors, hardware, and internet quality play big part in someone's results. Additionally, there are so many addon tools available I sometimes wonder if some of them can interfere with each other and cause more issues, especially if there not installed properly. It also seems that many developers are taking a cautious approach to 2024. I'm not sure if some of them are waiting for the dust to settle after a few more updates, or that they want to be sure 2024 isn't just a flash in the pan. I would've thought by now that there would be more native 2024 scenery, hardware compatibility, and aircraft available. I know that many of the things that work in 2020 will work in 2024, but there are definitely some issues in that area. From what I've read here in AVSIM, as well as in several other forums, it hasn't been as seamless as Microsoft said it would be. To me, the idea of streaming an entire sim seems like kind of a stretch given that there's only so much bandwidth available and a limit to what the servers can really handle. 

    I'm sort of on the fence about going with 2020 or 2024. There's just so much more available for 2020 right now, but 2024 seems to be where most of you guys are headed in anticipation of what lies ahead. I'm also concerned about when and if 2020 will be abandoned by Microsoft and the developers. Will it be relegated to the trash heap like P3D? I spent a hell of a lot of money on addons for that sim.

    Anyway, I guess I'm just venting since there are so many things I need to consider before pulling out my credit card. I'll make a decision soon. 

Thanks.

6 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

The only thing I liked about XP 12 was the way they have setting up  controls, other than that, it seemed everything was pretty dismal compared to what I am flying now. 

Like anything new, you have to take some time to set it up and maybe even buy an addon or two to really get the feel for it.  It's completely different than msfs. And XP tends to favor aircraft and airspace, which is good if you want to simulate actual flying hehe.  Some of the things lack though like default avionics and some of the default aircraft are very out of date, from a visual standpoint.

10 minutes ago, tamba765 said:

HELP ME, I'm Drowning!!!

     I've been reading posts in this forum, not just in this thread, for several months now. Frankly I'm not sure which way to turn.

 

    I'm still a P3D user but, I'm planning to switch over to MSFS next month when my new high-end machine is built. The one good thing about P3D is that if I have a hiccup in my internet connection, I don't lose anything, except a temporary loss of Active Sky or Navigraph. One of the bad things is that the addon scenery you have is all you're ever gonna get. Runway designations and construction, terminal expansions like KDEN, and total rebuilds like KSLC will never be available. I know that ADE can be used to update some of these things, but I'm not that ambitious and it really doesn't seem like it's worth the effort at this point. 

     I see a lot of arguments and sometimes name calling in these forums, but there's also tons of information available. One guy says 2020 is better and 2024 is garbage The other guy says 2024 works great for him and that he'd never go back. Granted, user errors, hardware, and internet quality play big part in someone's results. Additionally, there are so many addon tools available I sometimes wonder if some of them can interfere with each other and cause more issues, especially if there not installed properly. It also seems that many developers are taking a cautious approach to 2024. I'm not sure if some of them are waiting for the dust to settle after a few more updates, or that they want to be sure 2024 isn't just a flash in the pan. I would've thought by now that there would be more native 2024 scenery, hardware compatibility, and aircraft available. I know that many of the things that work in 2020 will work in 2024, but there are definitely some issues in that area. From what I've read here in AVSIM, as well as in several other forums, it hasn't been as seamless as Microsoft said it would be. To me, the idea of streaming an entire sim seems like kind of a stretch given that there's only so much bandwidth available and a limit to what the servers can really handle. 

    I'm sort of on the fence about going with 2020 or 2024. There's just so much more available for 2020 right now, but 2024 seems to be where most of you guys are headed in anticipation of what lies ahead. I'm also concerned about when and if 2020 will be abandoned by Microsoft and the developers. Will it be relegated to the trash heap like P3D? I spent a hell of a lot of money on addons for that sim.

    Anyway, I guess I'm just venting since there are so many things I need to consider before pulling out my credit card. I'll make a decision soon. 

Thanks.

At some point MS is going to pull the plug on v2020. Even tho it’s a local install, it’s still heavily dependent on MS server infrastructure. 
 

for the same money, v2024 gives a lot more, and will be supported for longer. 

if you’re really concerned about the internet thing, tho (I’m not), X-Plane is a viable option. 

37 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

Like anything new, you have to take some time to set it up and maybe even buy an addon or two to really get the feel for it.  It's completely different than msfs. And XP tends to favor aircraft and airspace, which is good if you want to simulate actual flying hehe.  Some of the things lack though like default avionics and some of the default aircraft are very out of date, from a visual standpoint.

I have tried XP over the years, and every time I do, I am disappointed in how outdated it always looks. XP 12 which I just tried, was no exception, and now my impression is even worse, coming from MSFS 2020. Going to be a really hard sell to get anyone to give up MSFS  and switch to XP, that's for sure. 

4 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Going to be a really hard sell to get anyone to give up MSFS  and switch to XP, that's for sure. 

A lot of users on Reddit beg to differ. 
People around here seem to think that Avsim is the centre of the flightsim universe. 

Edited August 4, 2025Aug 4 by Ianrivaldosmith