1 hour ago, dzmitry said:

16x times the detail!

Jokes aside, I wonder where's the 777 sound update, which was almost ready like a month ago.... 

the Boris makes that a moot point. I’m in favor of them putting their team on other work. 

20 minutes ago, MikeH99 said:

Started trying to watch it but there was too much giggling couldn't and I couldn't hear what was being said. I'm passing on the NG if they ever do a MAX/787 then yeah. 

I've been a supporter of PMDG since the manual they made for the Aerowinx 747.

However I find myself with similar feelings.

The NG will be the first time I pass on a PMDG airliner.

I've had a PMDG 737 since FS9 and will always have it no matter what version. It remains the gold standard.

5 hours ago, silentghostx said:

This is the first time I’m going to sit this one out, I’ve owned the thing since P3Dv2 and for every subsequent simulator since then. 

That's not much then.
I had her since FS2004.

 

As for them always making the same aircraft I have to ask: Which ones are even relevant at this point?

If they want to remain with Boeing only the 787. And that one is in development, although by their pace and considering it is the first time they are doing a new type I bet it will take at least until late 2027.

 

And now no one say 757 or 767. Those are all but gone from the passenger market with the exception of a very few operators who have not phased them out yet.

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2 hours ago, Georgleboui said:

One interesting detail I just picked up is that the crew stuff from DC-6 will make its appearance for the 747 classics.

I'd be happy just to see the DC-6 itself.

33 minutes ago, Max Kraus said:

I've had a PMDG 737 since FS9 and will always have it no matter what version. It remains the gold standard.

Same here, it's still my favourite model. Looking forward to the update so I can fly it again in 2024, and for previous owners it will likely cost less than a couple of pizzas.

29 minutes ago, Farlis said:

And now no one say 757 or 767. Those are all but gone from the passenger market with the exception of a very few operators who have not phased them out yet.

It really doesn't matter whether they are still in the passenger market or not.  People still fly many different types in the sim that are not flown in real life anymore.  Retro livery's are in abundance.  

10 minutes ago, micstatic said:

It really doesn't matter whether they are still in the passenger market or not.  People still fly many different types in the sim that are not flown in real life anymore.  Retro livery's are in abundance.  

It DOES matter. Why do you think PMDG dropped the MD-11? Because it didn't sell as well as the rest. 

And why? Because aircraft that are no longer widely flown as passenger aircraft in real life drop out of interest for the majority of the market.

The fringes that like to fly historical aircraft don't account for enough sales.

5 minutes ago, Farlis said:

It DOES matter. Why do you think PMDG dropped the MD-11? Because it didn't sell as well as the rest. 

And why? Because aircraft that are no longer widely flown as passenger aircraft in real life drop out of interest for the majority of the market.

The fringes that like to fly historical aircraft don't account for enough sales.

Then of course the obvious counter argument to your point.  Why is PMDG themselves making the 747-100/200/300/400?  

I'm not going to pretend the newest airplanes do not sell in the largest numbers.  But older airplanes most certainly aren't "the fringes".  

There are many simmers out there who spent many years of their life doing real world flights in some of these airplanes.  A plane like the MD-80 may be largely retired for passenger transportation, however as a business traveler I probably logged over 300 flights on them over the years.  So I very much appreciate having the leonardo maddog.  Plus I just find the newer planes a little dry.  Not quite as challenging as the classic generation to fly.  

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Just now, micstatic said:

Why is PMDG themselves making the 747-100/200/300/400?  

Because the 747 is a special case. It has always been THE airliner. 

I don't know how much that will change once Lufthansa and Korean retire the last ones and it becomes a freighter exclusively. Maybe it won't happen as fast as with other aircraft, but I assume eventually the sales for add ons of it will go in the same direction and the majority will lose interest.

1 hour ago, micstatic said:

the Boris makes that a moot point. I’m in favor of them putting their team on other work. 

While I'm happy that Boris made an amazing soundpack I don't think this should be the norm. It's a near $78 product with average, near borderline mediocre, sounds, we should keep pushing PMDG to do better on that front.

 

19 minutes ago, Farlis said:

It DOES matter. Why do you think PMDG dropped the MD-11? Because it didn't sell as well as the rest. 

JustFlight, FSS and TFDI seem to be doing just fine selling classics. Hell JustFlight has been doing native upgrades to 2024 for free for all of their aircraft. If they weren't selling well then why would they do that?

 

19 minutes ago, Farlis said:

The fringes that like to fly historical aircraft don't account for enough sales.

They clearly do. Based on the companies I mentioned before.

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@Farlis You will then be pretty surprised when the bluebird 757 finally releases.  It's going to be a massive seller. 

26 minutes ago, Farlis said:

It DOES matter. Why do you think PMDG dropped the MD-11? Because it didn't sell as well as the rest. 

And why? Because aircraft that are no longer widely flown as passenger aircraft in real life drop out of interest for the majority of the market.

The fringes that like to fly historical aircraft don't account for enough sales.

The 737NG will be around for some time yet as both a passenger and cargo aircraft, so I think it is safe to assume that the MSFS 2024 version will sell like hot cakes at a Christmas market.

1 hour ago, micstatic said:

Then of course the obvious counter argument to your point.  Why is PMDG themselves making the 747-100/200/300/400?  

I think just because now they finally can. This is a personal love letter from them and they have made enough money so they can make the aircraft of their own dreams. I'm sure this is not a profit driven decision, but a personal one.

2 hours ago, Farlis said:

Because the 747 is a special case. It has always been THE airliner. 

There are other examples of developers who are releasing obsolescent airliners. In fact, Just Flight seem to be doing nothing else - think of the 146/RJ and Fokker 28/70/100. If it's a failing strategy, they do seem to be awfully stubborn about it.