14 minutes ago, B777ER said:

Already purchased 3 versions of the same plane from them. I’m out, no more.

Unless they changed their minds, if you own the 737 for 2024 it’s going to be a cheap upgrade fee, compared to a cup of coffee. It won’t be a full price purchase.

Edited November 25, 2025Nov 25 by Tuskin38

42 minutes ago, B777ER said:

Already purchased 3 versions of the same plane from them. I’m out, no more.

I assume it will be a nominal upgrade price .  Fact is the PMDG 737NG is still one of the greatest addons.  So if one likes the plane and also likes FS2024, it's a no brainer.  I'm hopeful it's a good bit better than the 2020 version. But even if it is the same as the 2020 version, I'll be happy with it.  

Edited November 25, 2025Nov 25 by micstatic

https://fselite.net/content/pmdg-shares-new-previews-for-its-upcoming-737-for-msfs-2024/

8 hours ago, micstatic said:

I assume it will be a nominal upgrade price .  Fact is the PMDG 737NG is still one of the greatest addons.  So if one likes the plane and also likes FS2024, it's a no brainer.  I'm hopeful it's a good bit better than the 2020 version. But even if it is the same as the 2020 version, I'll be happy with it.  

I am hoping that the ground handling has been significantly improved when compared to the MSFS 2020 version. Whilst the handling has been improved since its initial release in MSFS 2020, it still feels far too light with slight "left/right" movements (like caster wheels on a shopping trolley at times). There should (IMO) be more of a feeling of grip from the rubber tyres.

EDIT: For the record, is there a difference in ground handling "feel" in the MSFS 2024 version of the 777 when compared to MSFS 2020?

Edited November 26, 2025Nov 26 by Christopher Low

5 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I am hoping that the ground handling has been significantly improved when compared to the MSFS 2020 version. Whilst the handling has been improved since its initial release in MSFS 2020, it still feels far too light with slight "left/right" movements (like caster wheels on a shopping trolley at times). There should (IMO) be more of a feeling of grip from the rubber tyres.

EDIT: For the record, is there a difference in ground handling "feel" in the MSFS 2024 version of the 777 when compared to MSFS 2020?

Ground handling is bad in 2024, and it will be bad in the PMDG 737

I thought that the ground physics had been improved in MSFS 2024?

35 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

I thought that the ground physics had been improved in MSFS 2024?

Not sure what @chapstick is on about, the ground modelling has been greatly improved in 24. @lwt1971 has talked about this at length 

42 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

Not sure what @chapstick is on about, the ground modelling has been greatly improved in 24. @lwt1971 has talked about this at length 

There's no inertia, planes skid around like on ice - same issues as always. We're literally talking in a thread about a video in which RSR trashes the ground physics system in 2024. 

2 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I thought that the ground physics had been improved in MSFS 2024?

Ya ground physics are definitely improved in 2024, and you can see various simmers' reports of that in https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/654326-msfs-2024-flight-dynamics-and-groundwater-handling-thread/, and various of those simmers are also IRL pilots. This is especially the case for GA aircraft, and I particularly think big aircraft like the ones from iniBuilds showcase these improvements. Also Fenix. 

That said, the PMDG and RSR feel that MSFS 2024 don't go far enough (third link below), especially as it relates to tiller control. This is what RSR and Mathijs have recently said on the topic of the 777 and ground handling in 2020 vs 2024: 

• https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/pmdg-737-for-msfs/general-discussion-no-support/373022-ground-handling?p=373119#post373119: "The 737's ground handling is markedly better with the new FS2024 system"
• https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/pmdg-737-for-msfs/general-discussion-no-support/373022-ground-handling?p=373023#post373023
• https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/pmdg-737-for-msfs/general-discussion-no-support/373022-ground-handling?p=374374#post374374

RSR well maybe correct and 2024's ground handling improvements directly benefit GA more than big airliners, but then the Fenix and other big birds from iniBuilds do ground handling better than the 777, so either they're doing something custom or doing things differently than PMDG.

It's also important to note that aircraft devs need to opt into the new ground handling capabilities of 2024 in their flight model config and elsewhere, and it's not entirely clear to me if the PMDG 777 does (and also if RSR's complaints above are specifically about 2020 experience). At least Mathijs says above the 737 has adopted 2024's new ground handling features and the results are "markedly better" 🤷‍♂️
 

Edited November 26, 2025Nov 26 by lwt1971

32 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

It's also important to note that aircraft devs need to opt into the new ground handling capabilities of 2024 in their flight model config and elsewhere, and it's not entirely clear to me if the PMDG 777 does (and also if RSR's complaints above are based on the 2020 experience). At least Mathijs says above the 737 has adopted 2024's new ground handling features and the results are "markedly better" 🤷‍♂️

That sounds promising 👍

16 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

 

Unless they changed their minds, if you own the 737 for 2024 it’s going to be a cheap upgrade fee, compared to a cup of coffee. It won’t be a full price purchase.

Prepare to get disappointed.
PMDG will come up with a similar statement like the following, to justify a "higher than a cup of coffee" price:

 

Quote

 

Captains,

Over the past months, I may have mentioned—once, twice, or perhaps several dozen times—that the PMDG 737 for MSFS 2024 would come at the cost of “a cup of coffee.”
Well… after spending the better part of a year rewriting, re-wiring, re-torquing, and occasionally re-summoning code that predates the invention of gluten-free bread, I regret to inform you that this particular cup of coffee has grown somewhat.
In fact, it has grown into what can only be described as a bucket of coffee. One of those industrial, OSHA-noncompliant containers that requires two hands and a note from your physician.

Why the increase?

Because MSFS 2024 decided to change everything. Systems, flight model interactions, rendering pipelines… even the parts of the SDK we didn’t know existed. At one point we considered attaching floats to the 737 just to stay above the rising tide of regressions. So yes, Captains, the price has climbed. But it climbed because our development team has spent an eye-watering amount of time ensuring that when you push buttons, pull levers, or attempt to arm the speedbrake while simultaneously engaging VNAV during a crosswind gust, the airplane reacts like a 737—and not like a caffeinated goat.

And before anyone asks: yes, we’ve noticed that some developers are offering free upgrades from MSFS 2020 to 2024. A noble gesture! Some might even say heroically unconcerned with optimizing revenue streams.
But here at PMDG, we like to think our airplanes are worth at least one bucket-sized serving of your favorite roasted bean.

As always, thank you for your support, your enthusiasm, and your continued patience while we continue the never-ending process of convincing these aircraft to behave.

—The PMDG Team

 

Obviously written by an AI Chatbot and not by the PMDG team... just to prevent anyone believing this is a real post.

1 hour ago, lwt1971 said:

At least Mathijs says above the 737 has adopted 2024's new ground handling features and the results are "markedly better" 🤷‍♂️

Mathijs is their marketing guy, of course he's going to say that 

I do not expect the upgrade price to be comparable to a "cup of coffee", unless you are all being ripped off by your local Barista 

I know you guys keep complaining about pricing? LOL  Let me break down some cost involving ownership of a small airplane:

Lets start with some very inexpensive items:

Cessna deluxe towbar $269.00

https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/deluxe_towbars.php?clickkey=12627754

Fuel cap $183.00

https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/cessnaparts8.php?clickkey=231621

 

Now, let say we want GTN750 NXI $19095.00. This is of course without installation

https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/ngar750.php?clickkey=6625130

 

I don't know about you ,but I would be happy to pay $100+ to have a something that resembles real aircraft. 🙂

 

1 hour ago, sd_flyer said:

I know you guys keep complaining about pricing? LOL  Let me break down some cost involving ownership of a small airplane:

Lets start with some very inexpensive items:

Cessna deluxe towbar $269.00

https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/deluxe_towbars.php?clickkey=12627754

Fuel cap $183.00

https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/cessnaparts8.php?clickkey=231621

 

Now, let say we want GTN750 NXI $19095.00. This is of course without installation

https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/ngar750.php?clickkey=6625130

 

I don't know about you ,but I would be happy to pay $100+ to have a something that resembles real aircraft. 🙂

 

I really don’t get these arguments because these aren’t real planes, this is a game on a desktop computer where we pretend to fly. What bearing does the cost of a real plane have here? 
 

Im not buying plane addons because I think I’m getting a bargain compared to real life, they’re entirely different experiences, ridiculous comparison.