4 hours ago, micstatic said:

@Farlis You will then be pretty surprised when the bluebird 757 finally releases.  It's going to be a massive seller. 

I will hold that bet. 😉

4 hours ago, Lucky38i said:

They clearly do. Based on the companies I mentioned before.

Then why did TFDI release the MD-11 half finished? Because they needed the cash to flow. Because overal market interest is not as high as it is on more current airframes.

23 minutes ago, Farlis said:

Then why did TFDI release the MD-11 half finished? Because they needed the cash to flow. Because overal market interest is not as high as it is on more current airframes.

I mean.. you clearly ignored JustFlight which is very obviously doing quite well and only selling obsolete airliners. How odd you.. completely avoided that. Why are you doubling down?

54 minutes ago, Farlis said:

Then why did TFDI release the MD-11 half finished? Because they needed the cash to flow. Because overal market interest is not as high as it is on more current airframes.

because they are a bottom tier developer and always have been

6 hours ago, MikeH99 said:

I'm passing on the NG if they ever do a MAX/787 then yeah. 

Get the iFly 737 Max. I think it's a more polished product compared to PMDG's NG's. The modeling work is exceptional as well as the sounds and systems are top notch also. The only drawback is their efb, but they're updating it to be more in line with other developers offerings and less of 1:1 representation of the Boeing efb which it has now. They also aren't charging for a 2024 upgrade, unlike PMDG -- who will charge you anytime they can. 

Regardless of what one thinks of (or obsesses over) about RSR's personality and method of communicating, PMDG remains a top tier developer. And clearly Boeing felt they were top tier enough to collaborate with them and use their software for training programs. And for the kind of detailed high fidelity work they do, I'm quite fine with the time they take (and is no different from other top tier devs like Fenix, FSL, etc who work on similarly complex large aircraft). And ya, given their expertise on Boeings, it's to be expected we're going to keep getting the 737, 777, 747 staples for new sim platforms. As long as they can take advantage of the sim platform's capabilities, and keep improving their development skills on the platform, then I've got no complaints.

Bring on the 2024 version of the 737, and then the 747 variants! Hopefully we'll also get new aircraft like the max, 777X, 787 from them in the future and maybe even non-Boeings.
 

Edited November 18, 2025Nov 18 by lwt1971

37 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

I mean.. you clearly ignored JustFlight which is very obviously doing quite well and only selling obsolete airliners. How odd you.. completely avoided that. Why are you doubling down?

JustFlight has a wide portfolio. Their main bread and butter are GA aircraft and historic Military aircraft. If they were only doing historic airliners I bet you they would not do as well.

I think it is unlikely that historical aircraft sell as well as commonly-seen aircraft at people's home airports, but they likely do well enough to justify continued development.  I personally only fly real world routes -- so the airline must fly the airframe in question and the route. That is of course just my preference and how I enjoy simulation, I have no interest in historical aircraft, but I also completely understand the reasons some people do.

But this is is why I will skip the NG in 2024: I have paid enough times for that airframe from PMDG and I was really underwhelmed by the 2020 implementation, asking me to pay more cups of coffee to bring it into 2024 is, well, not so appreciated.  I understand developers can't work for nothing. At the same time I look at the landscape and somehow Black Square, A2A, Fenxi, iFly, Maddog, et al managed to bring their complex, high-fidelity aircraft from 2020 to 2024 and update and modernize them without the need for additional cups of coffee and pizzas. I don't think PMDG is just being exploitive, they must have some significant costs and they do need and deserve funding for their work, but I am also an individual consumer in an inflationary period without unlimited funding and so I have to start to ask what is it about PMDG's development strategy and approach that requires so much effort and work that they need to continually charge me; and that now has me thinking twice about purchasing their craft, regardless of how good they are. The iFly is excellent and by almost every measure better than the 2020 NG, so that is my future for narrow body Boeings.

And at the same time the NG is  being rapidly retired from fleets and the MAX is taking its place so I have less of a need or interest in it anymore. It will be the first aircraft from PMDG that I have not purchased since 2011. 

33 minutes ago, Bdub22 said:

Get the iFly 737 Max. I think it's a more polished product compared to PMDG's NG's. The modeling work is exceptional as well as the sounds and systems are top notch also. The only drawback is their efb, but they're updating it to be more in line with other developers offerings and less of 1:1 representation of the Boeing efb which it has now. They also aren't charging for a 2024 upgrade, unlike PMDG -- who will charge you anytime they can. 

Exactly, I don't think PMDG can match the iFly's 737.

39 minutes ago, Bdub22 said:

They also aren't charging for a 2024 upgrade

...and  the current version (1.0.4.3) works + flies very fluid and smooth in FS24 SU4b.  

Edited November 18, 2025Nov 18 by MaGer1965

45 minutes ago, Farlis said:

JustFlight has a wide portfolio. Their main bread and butter are GA aircraft and historic Military aircraft. If they were only doing historic airliners I bet you they would not do as well.

Is this rage bait? How does that make any sense when they've provided most updates for their airliners? They've dedicated majority of their support to the airliners. They've done the most unique features on their airliners. Their airliners are the ones that receive the most viewership amongst popular streamers.

What reality are you living in ? How you can double down on the reality that is, several companies have been succesful making obsolete aircraft is bewildering to me. 

41 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

What reality are you living in ?

In the reality where virtually no one flies historic airlines online and none of the streamers I watch flies them.

 

Just face it, they are an obscure specialist market. The real money is being made with modern airliners.

Edited November 18, 2025Nov 18 by Farlis

48 minutes ago, Skytatoo said:

Exactly, I don't think PMDG can match the iFly's 737.

I would first ask type rated 737 folks here

6 hours ago, Farlis said:

It DOES matter. Why do you think PMDG dropped the MD-11? Because it didn't sell as well as the rest. 

And why? Because aircraft that are no longer widely flown as passenger aircraft in real life drop out of interest for the majority of the market.

That is absolute nonsense.

The MD-11 didn't sell well because.... not as many people as forecast by PMDG bought it. You have absolutely no idea why that was.  People flock to buy old, out-of-commision airplanes for sims.  Wait and see how many people will buy the PMDG 742 ..... and how many of those are still flying?

Basically what you meant was, you don't like out-of-commission planes, so people shouldn't make them.    Both recent and distant vintage is a huge part of the flight sim community.

34 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

Is this rage bait?

I would say so yes.   Or perhaps common-or-garden trolling.

He has the most fixed, closed-mindset opinions and then expounds them as though they are facts.

I wouldn't waste your time.

Edited November 18, 2025Nov 18 by JYW