59 minutes ago, SeedyL said:

Hello @LRBS,

I very strongly suspect that if someone has a job flying at an airline, they're quite unlikely to leave that role to accept a full-time position working as a tester on MSFS, though.

 

Interesting statement. In fact, several of us working for the airlines, including myself, served as outside consultants without leaving our jobs and offered our expertise for free to support the sim community and the developer. Maybe it's time to think outside the box; you don't need anyone as an outside consultant to leave a job. Consider the endless possibilities and benefits. FREE HELP, EVERYONE WINS. It’s a concept that’s worked for a long time. 

1 hour ago, LRBS said:

why there is no mention of the most important feature missing, setting a visibility down to an RVR value. A requirement for any VFR or IFR conditions. You see, compared to other simulators, this is missing

What other simulator with an “s” do you refer too.  I’ve been flying in real life and simming for over forty years now.  I can say with no hesitation I’ve owned all of them.  I also was an Air Traffic Controller for just under 15 years. As such I know full well what RVR is and what it means to pilots.  Never in my experience with flight simulators I have never seen one that could set a specific RVR value, let alone one that could produce realistically limited horizontal visibility until MSFS and its incredible atmospheric capabilities including full opacity clouds and fog.  While I don’t see the capability to set a specific Runway Visibility Range in MSFS 2020 or 2024, I’ve not seen it in any simulator in my experience.  Why don’t you share the names of those simulators that you speak of.  Educate me please.  Blue skies,

-B

Edited November 27, 2025Nov 27 by btacon

25 minutes ago, LRBS said:

Interesting statement. In fact, several of us working for the airlines, including myself, served as outside consultants without leaving our jobs and offered our expertise for free to support the sim community and the developer. Maybe it's time to think outside the box; you don't need anyone as an outside consultant to leave a job. Consider the endless possibilities and benefits. FREE HELP, EVERYONE WINS. It’s a concept that’s worked for a long time. 

Hello @LRBS,

My post was in response to your initial post above about our full-time aircraft testers. The job postings for those positions were available for anyone with the right skills and experience to apply; however, they are full-time positions that require working Monday-Friday during regular business hours. That almost certainly prohibits a current airline pilot from accepting one of those full-time aircraft tester roles while still keeping their job flying at their company.

The MSFS team already employs the services of many outside consultants with specialist expertise. For example, we frequently work with the in-house test pilots from the manufacturers of various licensed aircraft to validate the accuracy of the MSFS versions of those planes. As another example, when we released the Expert Series ATR in 2023, we engaged a real-world ATR pilot from a New Zealand-based airline to create a series of tutorial videos for this aircraft. More recently, Jorg mentioned during last month's Developer Livestream that we're working with test pilots at Red Bull themselves to help us with the upcoming Red Bull Air Race mode.

Kind regards,

SeedyL, MSFS Community Manager

 

Edited November 27, 2025Nov 27 by SeedyL

23 minutes ago, SeedyL said:

Hello @LRBS,

My post was in response to your initial post above about our full-time aircraft testers. The job postings for those positions were available for anyone with the right skills and experience to apply; however, they are full-time positions that require working Monday-Friday during regular business hours. That almost certainly prohibits a current airline pilot from accepting one of those full-time aircraft tester roles while still keeping their job flying at their company.

The MSFS team already employs the services of many outside consultants with specialist expertise. For example, we frequently work the in-house test pilots from the manufacturers of various licensed aircraft to validate the accuracy of the MSFS versions of those planes. As another example, when we released the Expert Series ATR in 2023, we engaged a real-world ATR pilot from a New Zealand-based airline to create a series of tutorial videos for this aircraft. More recently, Jorg mentioned during last month's Developer Livestream that we're working with test pilots at Red Bull themselves to help us with the upcoming Red Bull Air Race mode.

Kind regards,

SeedyL, MSFS Community Manager

 

And unfortunately, there are basic ABC issues that should be flagged by these people. Yes, I noticed the effort on the ATR, but I find very "optimistic" the statemt 

"we frequently work the in-house test pilots from the manufacturers of various licensed aircraft to validate the accuracy of the MSFS versions of those planes"

when almost all have different issues. I'm sorry, it's very difficult to digest these claims when many airplanes are far from what they should be. That's why many people criticize certain aspects of this software. 

41 minutes ago, btacon said:

What other simulator with an “s” do you refer too.  I’ve been flying in real life and swimming for over forty years now.  I can say with no hesitation I’ve owned all of them.  I also was an Air Traffic Controller for just under 15 years. As such I know full well what RVR is and what it means to pilots.  Never in my experience with flight simulators I have never seen one that could set a specific RVR value, let alone one that could produce realistically limited horizontal visibility until MSFS and its incredible atmospheric capabilities including full opacity clouds and fog.  While I don’t see the capability to set a specific Runway Visibility Range in MSFS 2020 or 2024, I’ve not seen it in any simulator in my experience.  Why don’t you share the names of those simulators that you speak of.  Educate me please.  Blue skies,

-B

As I recall, P3D and XP 12 also have a slider to set visibility close to RVR values. Yes, no RVR, and what is the objection to having this function? I'm not gonna start pulling this nonsense, "I've been flying for so many years." Remember, there is always someone better qualified than we think we are. 

37 minutes ago, LRBS said:

"I've been flying for so many years." Remember, there is always someone better qualified than we think we are.

You might do well to look into a mirror and reflect upon your words.

-B

1 hour ago, LRBS said:

And unfortunately, there are basic ABC issues that should be flagged by these people. Yes, I noticed the effort on the ATR, but I find very "optimistic" the statemt 

"we frequently work the in-house test pilots from the manufacturers of various licensed aircraft to validate the accuracy of the MSFS versions of those planes"

when almost all have different issues. I'm sorry, it's very difficult to digest these claims when many airplanes are far from what they should be. That's why many people criticize certain aspects of this software. 

If you're itching to help, you know you can just do that, right? It's clear you care about the sim, and there are a few things that you feel are missing. Why not open up feature requests posts on the official forums? Or contribute to already existing ones? Post bug reports and provide feedback in the threads. Email the team directly, jump on the discords, participate in dev streams or even just send questions for them.

You can be way more proactive in getting the things you want added to the sim. We know Asobo tracks upvoted wishlists and bug reports, and both Jorg and Seb asked to put stuff in front of them that people really want to change. 

You know, all the things instead of sitting here and firing snark at anyone and everyone.

Never accidentally put the pitot covers on midflight in this beta before. Or, in any sim for that matter. Glad they're looking into this considering that this...

IS

A 

BETA

and some problems that had solutions sometimes end up with another issue. 

Relax, y'all. Thankfully I have a fully functioning woodshop in my garage if the....BETA (that I volunteered for) is causing an issue I can't resolve myself. 

So far, 2 flights in and had no issues. Performance is better, in fact. 

The ignore button has just increased its value today. Again. Just remember, the more people use the ignore button the less it bothers anyone. Then, if enough people use it the person "ignored" will wonder why nobody responds to anything they post/message. 

Edited November 27, 2025Nov 27 by Sonosusto

1 hour ago, LRBS said:

As I recall, P3D and XP 12 also have a slider to set visibility close to RVR values. Yes, no RVR, and what is the objection to having this function? I'm not gonna start pulling this nonsense, "I've been flying for so many years." Remember, there is always someone better qualified than we think we are. 

You are many times very negative in your posts.
And you keep coming back to your RVR issue. 

Just accept that a “real” RVR condition has no top priority. 

 

 

4 hours ago, SeedyL said:

 

The MSFS team already employs the services of many outside consultants with specialist expertise. 

Which obviously are partially blind or simply use another branch with less bugs. No other explanation there for some bugs existing since beginning of MSFS2020 or shortly after, like the snow coverage throughout the Alps during two-third of the year using live weather or the mentioned landing gear bug in MSFS2024 for ALL (!) AI traffic planes independent of the source (internal, FSLTL, AIG, FS Traffic). The list can be expanded to at least ten bugs still on the lifetime bug list. Or even worse, those bugs listed for MSFS2020 are not even listed anymore on the lifetime buglist of MSFS2024, even if they still exist. Bummer and very disappointing, for those core sim bugs, even 200 reallife pilots in the team would not help I guess...

In fact....this beta is doing so well I decided to take a third flight out from MROC to JWN3 and the views are spectacular. Fenix was fun before this at KJFK. I should try the 777 in a busy port next.

Any idea where to take it to/from? 

2 minutes ago, AnkH said:

Which obviously are partially blind or simply use another branch with less bugs. No other explanation there for some bugs existing since beginning of MSFS2020 or shortly after, like the snow coverage throughout the Alps during two-third of the year using live weather or the mentioned landing gear bug in MSFS2024 for ALL (!) AI traffic planes independent of the source (internal, FSLTL, AIG, FS Traffic). The list can be expanded to at least ten bugs still on the lifetime bug list. Or even worse, those bugs listed for MSFS2020 are not even listed anymore on the lifetime buglist of MSFS2024, even if they still exist. Bummer and very disappointing, for those core sim bugs, even 200 reallife pilots in the team would not help I guess...

What an insulting, disrespectful and outright rude comment. This bloke (Seedy) comes here to provide context and engage in discussion and this is how you treat them. Disgusting. 

Edited November 27, 2025Nov 27 by KL Oo

12 hours ago, penta_a said:

Virtual Reality

• Fixed Projection issue affecting foveated region in the sky.

Good to see there still actively fixing what they break in VR, be a shame if this is lost time to working on actual long time bugs, issues and QoL improvements though.

A vast majority of the VR "fixes" this beta period have seemingly been regression fixes, which needs a closer look at.

12 minutes ago, AnkH said:

Which obviously are partially blind or simply use another branch with less bugs. No other explanation there for some bugs existing since beginning of MSFS2020 or shortly after, like the snow coverage throughout the Alps during two-third of the year using live weather or the mentioned landing gear bug in MSFS2024 for ALL (!) AI traffic planes independent of the source (internal, FSLTL, AIG, FS Traffic). The list can be expanded to at least ten bugs still on the lifetime bug list. Or even worse, those bugs listed for MSFS2020 are not even listed anymore on the lifetime buglist of MSFS2024, even if they still exist. Bummer and very disappointing, for those core sim bugs, even 200 reallife pilots in the team would not help I guess...

They are currently in a beta.

I hope you understand the thread you're in, currently. I know you're as passionate as I am regarding simulators but you need to address said issues to the appropriate people. Most of us have a ton of addons so their "another branch" may not have what you have in terms of addons. Not all of us have the "gear" issue you mentioned. A part of these issues stem from addons and their current LOD issues as this is A BETA and not all devs have caught up to it.. As far as I am concerned, the Alps often have a lot of snow coverage. Been there once in the middle of July and it was cold as hell. 

Oh yeah. There was snow. 

Edited November 27, 2025Nov 27 by Sonosusto

6 minutes ago, MarcG said:

Good to see there still actively fixing what they break in VR, be a shame if this is lost time to working on actual long time bugs, issues and QoL improvements though.

A vast majority of the VR "fixes" this beta period have seemingly been regression fixes, which needs a closer look at.

Honestly, of all the people in sims that deal with the most issues, it seems to be the VR people. I hope this latest beta at least improved a few bits for you.