11 hours ago, SN737 said:

100% with you and I will add that they are now favoring XBOX "and Playstation" users more than PC ones. They don't care too much on fixing very important physics, they auto-introduced a bug (for more than a year now) to fix something ground effect related and since then, the aircraft, falls exactly at 50 feet, so you will have to un-naturally pitch up at that altitude not to slam the plane onto the runway, instead of flaring at 20 or 30 feet like in the real airplane and like with the iFly 737 max 8. They've ported this immersion killer auto induced bug to msfs 2024.

This "drop" at 50' AGL is something I have been seeing lately but much more so with the Fenix variants.  I used to be able to land these aircraft consistently with a landing rate of 250 FPM or less after the release of the BFU and before the release of SU4 but now I am struggling to have decent landings.  In my case the PMDG B738 is a lesser problem when it comes to A/C behavior with respect to the ground (touchdown, taxi, takeoff roll, etc.).  My approach is to try to improve my landing skills and not wait for any "enhancements".  This moving target in the simulation world does take some of the fun out of this hobby.  

12 hours ago, cchiozza said:

Here is the wobble in a video. Does not look like turb because it is the same movement.

https://share.icloud.com/photos/069470VMMnkeXSGYi_2HiDiEw

 

I get that same thing on departure and on final. Feels like turbulence, but my last departure was with calm winds and I still had it. I'm running chaseplane and Real Turb. I've disabled Real Turb and will let you know if my next approach is smoother. I've also noticed absolutely wild behaviour every once in a while at cruise. Basically the plane (camera) goes nuts for a few seconds. Shakes wildly. Could absolutely be chaseplane or Real Turb.

I have not noticed the new PMDG 737-800 "fall" at 50 feet.

12 hours ago, cchiozza said:

Update. I uninstalled Chasplane and did a flight from Denver to Tucson. The upper-level winds were not as bad as they were, and I think someone mentioned in an earlier post about higher winds can cause oscillation. This flight, there was no wobble or oscillation. See the video below. I guess now I need to re-install the Chasplane. Do another flight where the winds were not that high to see if I can narrow it down. 

https://share.icloud.com/photos/01eBUpedZdhOdPW-pQNBI6tag

I didn't notice this until after I took the video, but it actually was on a 4x cruise by accident. But when I stopped it, the oscillation was still gone. 

 

Forget about Chaseplane, as I'm experiencing the exact same oscillation as in the video and I do not have Chaseplane, so this can not be the root cause of this issue.

18 hours ago, cchiozza said:

Here is the wobble in a video. Does not look like turb because it is the same movement.

https://share.icloud.com/photos/069470VMMnkeXSGYi_2HiDiEw

 

Looks a lot like dutch roll to me?

Just go into Chase plane groups and adjust the camera physics.

You can set to have the inertia active or zero.

Jase

Edited December 28, 2025Dec 28 by MassiveSim32_Jase

18 hours ago, cchiozza said:

Update. I uninstalled Chasplane and did a flight from Denver to Tucson. The upper-level winds were not as bad as they were, and I think someone mentioned in an earlier post about higher winds can cause oscillation. This flight, there was no wobble or oscillation. See the video below. I guess now I need to re-install the Chasplane. Do another flight where the winds were not that high to see if I can narrow it down. 

https://share.icloud.com/photos/01eBUpedZdhOdPW-pQNBI6tag

I didn't notice this until after I took the video, but it actually was on a 4x cruise by accident. But when I stopped it, the oscillation was still gone. 

 

I have never seen anything like that in the PMDG NG, either in MSFS 2020 or the new 2024 version. I don’t use Chaseplane.

I note in the video that your flight director is turned off, so there are no command bars displayed on your PFD.

I do not have chaseplane and have had the same thing flying at cruise with more then one plane. 

I change turbulence to medium and last flight was better.

Just one flight however.

 

9 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I have not noticed the new PMDG 737-800 "fall" at 50 feet.

then you are fine, you will keep enjoying it. But.... your perception, doesn't make the fact that it falls at 50 feet every single time, false. If you dig in PMDG forum you'll find what I'm talking about. 

Can you point me to the thread?

It appears that there might be multiple sources of the "wobble" phenomenon, of which Chaseplane may only be one.

Perhaps this is a good moment to remind everyone that the PMDG 737 Introduction manual has a section on Simulator Settings, Limitations and Compatibility

Simulator Settings, Limitations and Compatibility - PMDG 737 Introduction

that states in part

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Our virtual 737 is designed to run on an unaltered, standard Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 setup. Any tool that changes the simulator's standard functionality can cause problems. Any tweak not done via the simulator's standard user interface can cause instability.  We especially caution against tools that manipulate LOD settings in real time. They can make even the finest aircraft horrible.

In addition, it includes a discussion of assistance settings that includes a note that reads as follows:

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Turbulence is not modeled very well in MSFS 2024 and should be left at a Low level to be realistic

Perhaps it would be good for those who experience what they feel is anomalous behavior (e.g., wobble) to start the debugging process from a state that is consistent with these known limitations.

4 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Can you point me to the thread?

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/pmdg-737-for-msfs/autoflight-manual-flight-navigation/332761-strange-elevator-behaviour-on-landing-with-latest-update

There are 3 or 4 more regarding the same issue.

11 minutes ago, SN737 said:

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/pmdg-737-for-msfs/autoflight-manual-flight-navigation/332761-strange-elevator-behaviour-on-landing-with-latest-update

There are 3 or 4 more regarding the same issue.

This post goes back to the end of 2024 and reports a problem in MS2020. At the very end, there are two recent responses pertaining to the new 738, which briefly report contradictory results. Are there any posts that specifically address the new add-on?

3 minutes ago, jrw4 said:

This post goes back to the end of 2024 and reports a problem in MS2020. At the very end, there are two recent responses pertaining to the new 738, which briefly report contradictory results. Are there any posts that specifically address the new add-on?

There are, you just need to search and take the time (as I did and lots of others that wan to have a better 737) to read the entire thread and watch all videos in that threads. Then you will realize how wrong PMDG got this (yes they ported this BUG to msfs 2024). If you don't notice anything, 3 possibilities, 1 you still don't notice anything and keep enjoying the aircraft modelling, 2 you'll notice it and don't mind it (but you will be making a very unrealistic input at an altitude you certainly at the real aircraft you shouldn't be making) and 3 I will skip this one, I better keep this to myself as I don't want to offend you.

The problem is caused by the Yaw Damper. Turning it OFF will fix it. It seems that PMDG has mixed up the ON and OFF position of the switch.