July 8, 201015 yr Commercial Member WELL I for one, have too many fps in the spot viewfps go from 150 to 15 in the jetstream in spot view,, the performance is too good unfortunetly!! .the ideal situation would be to lock fps, but that lowers VC considerably around dense scenery [which i only fly]as i said, cant wait for the addon, i know it will 100% quality,, but do get a move on guys ;) Alex Ridge Join Fswakevortex here! YOUTUBE and FACEBOOK
July 8, 201015 yr If anything PMDG should be working on their servers for the 100000+ downloads in first 1min when released LOL!! :(Couldn't agree moreRS Churchill Richard Spencer Churchill PVT SEL GYSGT USMC (ret)
July 8, 201015 yr p.s.Do you think that they would risk at all being worse than Ariane? That would ruin their reputation. If this addon isn't a hit, then most people would purchase their, very expensive package of 737's, or they would modify the FS9 PMDG 737NG to FSX. Some people may even go back Wilco's 737 classic series. I do not like it very much since the VC has alot of 2D panels, but it is better than nothing. Since PMDG is upgrading everything on this, you know it may it your FPS a little, but it will not make it less than 5-10 FPS unless you have a terrible computer.That's obviously an important consideration, and although I think PMDG's NGX would be doing well to match the FPS that the Ariane 737 NG can get, I still think that PMDG might surprise people. It's pushing it a bit to say that getting lower frame rates than the Ariane NG would 'ruin their reputation' though. PMDG's NGX is clearly going to simulate more cockpit systems, and even though PMDG can optimise stuff well, I think everyone would be prepared to accept that there will be some price to pay in terms of computing overhead for that kind of fidelity, and PMDG's reputation is robust enough to handle the odd blip, especially when parked alongside the reputation of Ariane, which might be less deserved these days, but is no less true for all that.PMDG are clearly going for a full-on 737 cockpit, with as much systems detail as they can, whereas Ariane paint with a broader brush as far as the aircraft is concerned, so they have cabin announcements and working galley systems and every ground service known to man etc, but then not every switch does something in their VC. Two different ways to approach a subject, and aimed at different customers, in many ways.It's entirely up to the individual which methodology is their preference, but even with price considerations, PMDG would certainly be handing Ariane a free shot if their NGX was a terrible systems hog, so you know they won't do that if they can avoid it. And I'm betting they can pull it off. I should imagine Ariane's will almost certainly get better FPS, but probably not by as much as they would like as far as assisting sales is concerned.So, the cost in monetary terms as well as the cost in terms of systems overhead may dictate the choice of which NG people prefer when the PMDG NGX is on sale as the Ariane one is, but it certainly isn't going to make things easier for Ariane. By the same token, when the I-Fly 737NG goes on sale, that'll take us from famine to feast in terms of 737 NG choices, although it remains to be seen how the I-Fly one will shape up as far as what it does and how it performs is concerned. Both Ariane and PMDG have a lot of experience at making 737s and squeezing FPS out of a sim, whereas it is all very new territory for I-Fly, with only one freeware 747 under their belt (which is admittedly very good). However, any developer will tell you that their tenth add-on aircraft is way better than their second or first attempt - Aerosim even went so far as to admit that is true in the name of a product; their FSX Boeing Triple Seven (the first FSX jet they made) is actually called 'First Step for FSX', which is pretty much an admission that they know they'll do better in future.Like most people who are fans of the 737, I'll almost certainly end up buying all of the 737s I can get my hands on, but which one I'll fly most, I really couldn't begin to guess at. My Aerosim 737-200 is nowhere near the systems fidelity of other FS 737s I have, but I still like it and fly it a lot.Al Alan Bradbury Check out my youtube flight sim videos: Here
July 8, 201015 yr That's obviously an important consideration, and although I think PMDG's NGX would be doing well to match the FPS that the Ariane 737 NG can get, I still think that PMDG might surprise people. It's pushing it a bit to say that getting lower frame rates than the Ariane NG would 'ruin their reputation' though. PMDG's NGX is clearly going to simulate more cockpit systems, and even though PMDG can optimise stuff well, I think everyone would be prepared to accept that there will be some price to pay in terms of computing overhead for that kind of fidelity, and PMDG's reputation is robust enough to handle the odd blip, especially when parked alongside the reputation of Ariane, which might be less deserved these days, but is no less true for all that.PMDG are clearly going for a full-on 737 cockpit, with as much systems detail as they can, whereas Ariane paint with a broader brush as far as the aircraft is concerned, so they have cabin announcements and working galley systems and every ground service known to man etc, but then not every switch does something in their VC. Two different ways to approach a subject, and aimed at different customers, in many ways.It's entirely up to the individual which methodology is their preference, but even with price considerations, PMDG would certainly be handing Ariane a free shot if their NGX was a terrible systems hog, so you know they won't do that if they can avoid it. And I'm betting they can pull it off. I should imagine Ariane's will almost certainly get better FPS, but probably not by as much as they would like as far as assisting sales is concerned.So, the cost in monetary terms as well as the cost in terms of systems overhead may dictate the choice of which NG people prefer when the PMDG NGX is on sale as the Ariane one is, but it certainly isn't going to make things easier for Ariane. By the same token, when the I-Fly 737NG goes on sale, that'll take us from famine to feast in terms of 737 NG choices, although it remains to be seen how the I-Fly one will shape up as far as what it does and how it performs is concerned. Both Ariane and PMDG have a lot of experience at making 737s and squeezing FPS out of a sim, whereas it is all very new territory for I-Fly, with only one freeware 747 under their belt (which is admittedly very good). However, any developer will tell you that their tenth add-on aircraft is way better than their second or first attempt - Aerosim even went so far as to admit that is true in the name of a product; their FSX Boeing Triple Seven (the first FSX jet they made) is actually called 'First Step for FSX', which is pretty much an admission that they know they'll do better in future.Like most people who are fans of the 737, I'll almost certainly end up buying all of the 737s I can get my hands on, but which one I'll fly most, I really couldn't begin to guess at. My Aerosim 737-200 is nowhere near the systems fidelity of other FS 737s I have, but I still like it and fly it a lot.AlAmen !And now ! for something completely different.........................the first picture of the exterior.....maybe? :-) Eric van Dorp
July 8, 201015 yr I'd guess at somewhere between 80 and 95 Dollars, but that is just a guess based on current high end FS aircraft prices and not going lower than what PMDG are currently charging for newer products.They'll probably be shy of passing the 100 buck mark for the psychological purchasing barrier that presents, but you never know. We are coming out of the credit crisis, and that's good timing for the release when people are starting to spend again. I think if it lives up to its promise, I'd pay up to 150 Dollars personally, but I doubt everyone would be prepared to go to that. To be honest, they'd probably make more money selling at a price point that didn't scare people off, which 150 bucks would almost certainly do, even though considering it is an entire range of aircraft and not just one, I personally think that's not an unreasonable price, although many would doubtless disagree.I'm sure the marketing dudes of PMDG have burned a lot of midnight oil figuring out where to place it in the price band, and I wouldn't want that job.Al Alan Bradbury Check out my youtube flight sim videos: Here
July 8, 201015 yr OMG!!!2 weeks without any glimpseI'm starving for picturesss pleeassee hear my prays and show us something really jawdropping :( Luck and peance guys =]Best regards,Bruno.
July 8, 201015 yr @Al - $150? No FS addon is worth that. By looking at the J41 its $45 so I think it wouldn't be unresonable for PMDG to price this between $55 and $70.
July 8, 201015 yr Commercial Member To those who are speculating on price: Please stop. You're just pulling numbers out of a hat.For those waiting for screenshots.. they're commin', just not sure exactly when :( Vin Scimone Precision Manuals Development Group www.precisionmanuals.com
July 9, 201015 yr Lookin forward to them Vin! "To most the sky is the limit but to me it's home" Rick Harms (CYVR) i7 [email protected] (for now) asus p6t v2, 6gb ocz 1600 CL7 ram. BFG 285 oc, vista 64, Samsung 52" 1080p lcd track IR5. PMDG j41, 747-400x, 747-8i/f, NGX.......Finally!!!!
July 9, 201015 yr To those who are speculating on price: Please stop. You're just pulling numbers out of a hat. Gents-Pricing will be well below $100...It is FAR too early to be setting pricing but I wouldn't expect it to be higher than $80 at the top-most...Speculation terminated. Joe Sherrill
July 9, 201015 yr For those waiting for screenshots.. they're commin', just not sure exactly when :(Just like the release date...I think we are all sorry about the annoying guessing, but we are just too excited!Martin Martin Pampiermole
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