As much as I dislike it's limitations and continual errors, I use default ATC, for one reason and one reason only, I do not like the robotic voices that I've heard with all the usual alternatives. Sure, I could use VATSIM, but I don't feel I'm ready to move in that direction at the moment, although it will be an inevitable way forward for me some time in the future.

As much as I dislike it's limitations and continual errors, I use default ATC, for one reason and one reason only, I do not like the robotic voices that I've heard with all the usual alternatives. Sure, I could use VATSIM, but I don't feel I'm ready to move in that direction at the moment, although it will be an inevitable way forward for me some time in the future.

 

You don't like robotic voices! Neither do I. That's why I use PFE. Oh and it doesn't tell you off. It offers alternatives.

vololiberista

You don't like robotic voices! Neither do I. That's why I use PFE. Oh and it doesn't tell you off. It offers alternatives.

vololiberista

 

Hmm, I thought I'd checked that out. Maybe I'll take another look later today, thanks for the advice...

I use it sometimes when I do IFR, which is rarely. I do use a edited version of FSX ATC, which can be changed by the freeware EditVoicePack.

With all the tweaks to help it manage traffic, it's good enough for me, not a strict procedures guy.

after reading you, I have the same remarks:

IVAO would be fun and realistic but no more AI traffic and therefore traffic visible depends on number of people connected but also, some of the controllers and pilots have to a fu...microphone that make the communication very difficult to understand...and I won't mention the difference of sound intensity from one user to another.

 

PFE delux could have been a great alternative but due to some bugs and limitations (I won't give example but 50% of my trials, the controller enters in a loop due to its own limitation), I don't use it anymore.

My only alternative for IFR controlled flights is the great radar contact V4 which is very powerful, easy to use and quite realistic.

 

The state of the art ATC is

but it looks like it is only for X-plane 9.

 

Stéphane

but it looks like it is only for X-plane 9

 

hello

And also for FS9/FSX and P3D @ $19.95/month membership fee

http://www.pilotedge.net/pages/getting-started

 

 

PFE delux could have been a great alternative but due to some bugs and limitations (I won't give example but 50% of my trials, the controller enters in a loop due to its own limitation), I don't use it anymore.

 

 

I use PFE and I have never had this problem. It is not perfect but it is OK. RC 4 is great but it has it is own limitations too.

John, do you also mean approaches like Geneva, Innsbruck, Chambery or Antalya?

I remember the default ATC trying to vector me via a mountain slope when approaching LSGG as well as LTAI.

Yes, Geneva and Innsbruck no problem but can't remember experiencing the others. FS's system takes into account the terrain, occasionally asking you to climb a little on approach if there is high land in your path. The worst it does, in my experience, is to give you approach from an impossibly high position at difficult airports - in which case I just circle until low enough.

 

If there is an airport with a difficult end and an easy end I tend to shut the awkward end of the runway to force the "easy" way and at Innsbruck, for example, I land from the east on Runway 26 and have been directed down the valley onto the offset ILS by FS's ATC perfectly several times although from memory it takes you a long way out to do so.

 

John

I hope this isn't too far off the subject fellas, but maybe someone can answer this for me. If I produce a flight plan into the CDU of the NGX and also FSX ATC as an IFR plan, why is it that after TO, no sooner do I begin my climb after engaging AP, then ATC starts vectoring me onto another course and another altitude? Is this realistic? Is this an FSX bug or is this what happens in RL if flying IFR?

Howard, the question is how do you command your MCDU to guide you? Do you enter a SID before takeoff or just start with the runway and your first airway waypoint?

If you do use a SID, you have to make sure your FSX flightplan contains all the waypoints/fixes, otherwise the default ATC will try vectoring you to the first waypoint present in the FSX flightplan.

As for the altitude, the default ATC does not know specific constraints and will guide your climb in a standard way, which actually means the final flight level altitude.

 

I base my explanation on the FS9 ATC limitations, as this is an FS9 forum, but I am almost sure Microsoft did not change it for FSX.

I hope this isn't too far off the subject fellas, but maybe someone can answer this for me. If I produce a flight plan into the CDU of the NGX and also FSX ATC as an IFR plan, why is it that after TO, no sooner do I begin my climb after engaging AP, then ATC starts vectoring me onto another course and another altitude? Is this realistic? Is this an FSX bug or is this what happens in RL if flying IFR?

 

It happens because there is no conection between the two. Which is as far from "as real as it gets!" as you can go!

Programmes like PFE do allow you to insert their FPs into the GPS or inertial navigation.

vololiberista

It happens because there is no conection between the two. Which is as far from "as real as it gets!" as you can go!

Programmes like PFE do allow you to insert their FPs into the GPS or inertial navigation.

vololiberista

 

Nice one, thanks for the advice vololiberista and the explanation Rafal...

Look ...it is as simple as it gets. just write the waypoints of the SID into your FS flightplan.

 

Save your gate no in your flight plan.... but first waypoint should be your departure runway (find that out first) ......whereever you are at when you contact departure you will be given the correct heading if you do this.

 

If you go one step further and learn to write approaches (if necessary) you will have a very enjoyable FSATC experience (no approach vectors)

I use the increasingly annoying RC4 and have FS9 ATC on as background chatter, just to fill in the space.

I bought and tried PFE but sadly couldnt make head or tail of it.