People today are moving away from traditional PCs to tablets and smartphones, some of which have more processing power than a good PC when FSX was developed.

 

You are absolutely correct on that one.

The wife and I just recently each got our first iPhone, the 4s, and we love it. Amazing little gadget.

And either for her birthday or Christmas , I plan on getting her the iPad.

I imagine this is a big reason MS seems to not be what it once was, and trying to play catch up.

I think not too many years down the road, pc's as we know them will be ancient history.

You are absolutely correct on that one.

The wife and I just recently each got our first iPhone, the 4s, and we love it. Amazing little gadget.

And either for her birthday or Christmas , I plan on getting her the iPad.

I imagine this is a big reason MS seems to not be what it once was, and trying to play catch up.

I think not too many years down the road, pc's as we know them will be ancient history.

 

The one certainty is change. You can hold it back for a while, but it just slips around from another direction. Technology and habits and so many things are changing out there. But are we? There is an article circulating about Microsoft and an allegiance to the past causing it to let the future slip by. I think that's a valuable lesson.

Iphone? I could have bought 10 Xperia Mini pro for that. Updated to Android 4 and now for 70$ I've a top notch smartphone...

If I remember correctly, when Aces was closed by MS, was this not suppose to be the end of Flight simming as we know it?....and then Flight........

 

And, in truth, Flight was very much the end of flight simming as we know it (at least as far as Microsoft is concerned).

 

Because of the foundation of XP-10 I think it's the way to go IF and this is a big IF the owner of XP-10 is welling to give into what peoples want.....if not the same thing will happen as it did with Flight.....not enough revenue to keep it up and running as we would like it to be.

 

Listen to your customers.......

 

You're talking like X-Plane is some start up project when in reality it has several decades of development history behind it and an established core market. It's not going to go the same way as Flight. Not a chance.

You're talking like X-Plane is some start up project when in reality it has several decades of development history behind it

 

And frankly, not nearly enough results to show for the effort expended.

 

While Flight is a textbook example of mismanagement, X-Plane is as well, although to a much lower degree.

 

But perhaps Austin will do better now, with the specter of yet another Microsoft entry into the market no longer hanging over his head. We shall see.

You're talking like X-Plane is some start up project when in reality it has several decades of development history behind it and an established core market. It's not going to go the same way as Flight. Not a chance.

 

Maybe not dying but peoples buy X-plane 10 or FSX because that's what's NOW the best option for them and not because they have everything they want in a sim as far a similation.

 

If tomorrow (if that was possible) a new sim came out on the market witrh graphics and effects as good or better that the one in Crysis 2, with multithreading capability, 64-bit, using as many physical core you can drop in your rig, SLI compatible (quad if you want), best real weather engine, best AI, ATC (all done by 3PD is fine) and you don't need to overclock the hell out of your CPU to run it....what do you think will happen to XP-10 and FSX, I don't care how much money I have invested in either one of them I'll be the first one in line to get the new kid on the block (assuming it's ready for release as I don't want to pay to be a beta tester).

 

Like I said, as of today I think XP-10 as the best chance to rise above the water IF they listen to their customers, the lack of seasons and the plausible world does not do it for me, they need 3PD developers on board, was I spoiled by what I got from FSX six years ago....probably, and that's why I'm looking for more six years later, a good engine is not enough today if you don't have the eye candies and the fonctionality (ATC, AI +++) of a good sim, do you think that's why Flight did not make it...you "betcha"...

 

As I said before....listen to your customers....

 

And, in truth, Flight was very much the end of flight simming as we know it (at least as far as Microsoft is concerned).

 

Don't bet everything you have on that.... :Whistle:

You are absolutely correct on that one.

The wife and I just recently each got our first iPhone, the 4s, and we love it. Amazing little gadget.

And either for her birthday or Christmas , I plan on getting her the iPad.

I imagine this is a big reason MS seems to not be what it once was, and trying to play catch up.

I think not too many years down the road, pc's as we know them will be ancient history.

 

What will be a big seller is the new Google nexus Table for about $200. A friend if mine got one, and he has an Ipad already, and uses the Google Tablet now as his main tablet.

 

 

http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/pc-mac/tablets/google-nexus-7-1087040/review

Mountain Man, on 29 July 2012 - 07:22 AM, said:

 

And, in truth, Flight was very much the end of flight simming as we know it (at least as far as Microsoft is concerned).

 

Don't bet everything you have on that

 

I've seen hints of that from other people. Unless Microsoft cancelled Flight to put everyone on develpment of FS11, the chances are between damned slim and non-existant. That sounds like some severe wishful thinking by people who wanted FS11 instead of Flight. I want FS11 myself, but I'm not going to delude myself about any hope for it.

 

I've also seen hints from people who know people at Microsoft that would indicate that a new flight simulation project from Microsoft is extremely unlikely. The whole idea of FS11 in the forseeable future seems too much like disgruntled simmers grasping at straws.

 

It's not that Microsoft couldn't do an FS11. They've got all the bits and pieces. Given the public reaction to Flight, you'd think that FS11 would be more successful, as even though the market is more limited than the one they envisioned for Flight, it's a very dedicated group of people. If I were Microsoft, I'd keep development of Flight going to bring in new customers and eventually turn it into FS11, or merge the Flight assets into a standalone FS11 version with the entire world.

 

I suggested on the beta forum that they could release the entire world in "FSX resolution" and make high detailed areas to be released as separate DLC. People would still buy them, as if nothing else, that's where the action would be: new missions, new challenges, better rendering of the area, the same way FSX had some high definition airports and cities. Then I realized that a lot of Hawaii was already "FSX resolution" and gave up that idea. It looks like most of Alaska is "FSX resolution" anyway.

 

My original thought was that if Flight failed, Microsoft wouldn't even consider FS11 for at least 5 years, then another 3 years of development before it was released. Right now, given the state of Microsoft's managment, I don't see even that as a possibility.

 

Hook

I've seen hints of that from other people. Unless Microsoft cancelled Flight to put everyone on develpment of FS11, the chances are between damned slim and non-existant. That sounds like some severe wishful thinking by people who wanted FS11 instead of Flight. I want FS11 myself, but I'm not going to delude myself about any hope for it.

 

I've also seen hints from people who know people at Microsoft that would indicate that a new flight simulation project from Microsoft is extremely unlikely. The whole idea of FS11 in the forseeable future seems too much like disgruntled simmers grasping at straws.

 

It's not that Microsoft couldn't do an FS11. They've got all the bits and pieces. Given the public reaction to Flight, you'd think that FS11 would be more successful, as even though the market is more limited than the one they envisioned for Flight, it's a very dedicated group of people. If I were Microsoft, I'd keep development of Flight going to bring in new customers and eventually turn it into FS11, or merge the Flight assets into a standalone FS11 version with the entire world.

 

I suggested on the beta forum that they could release the entire world in "FSX resolution" and make high detailed areas to be released as separate DLC. People would still buy them, as if nothing else, that's where the action would be: new missions, new challenges, better rendering of the area, the same way FSX had some high definition airports and cities. Then I realized that a lot of Hawaii was already "FSX resolution" and gave up that idea. It looks like most of Alaska is "FSX resolution" anyway.

 

My original thought was that if Flight failed, Microsoft wouldn't even consider FS11 for at least 5 years, then another 3 years of development before it was released. Right now, given the state of Microsoft's managment, I don't see even that as a possibility.

 

Hook

 

Do you honestly think in today's economy, with MS facing issues with the release of Windows 8, the reception they got from the Simming community regarding Flight, the complaining about having to spend $15 on DLC's for a free program, the lack of public demand for programs like Flight Sims, the decline in sales of Desktop PCs and the Tablet taking over the PC market, that Microsoft is going to do an about face and begin spending a ton of money on another money losing Flight sim, in our lifetime?

in our lifetime?

 

Yes

Yes

Yes

 

Not going to happen. Better chance of bringing back the Edsel.

I've seen hints of that from other people. Unless Microsoft cancelled Flight to put everyone on develpment of FS11, the chances are between damned slim and non-existant. That sounds like some severe wishful thinking by people who wanted FS11 instead of Flight. I want FS11 myself, but I'm not going to delude myself about any hope for it.

 

Not going to happen. Better chance of bringing back the Edsel.

 

 

Did we not see the same reaction from both side when MS closed Aces? Did MS cancelled Aces to put everybody on Flight, no, this time MS tried to get 3PD on board and we all know what happened, (I mean some do) what ever side we are on I, myself, can't blame 3PD for not signing their lifes away, some 3PD think MS gave them the finger and other 3PD said that MS owe them nothing, did 3PD changed their mind because they did not like the direction Flight was taking or did MS changed the direction of Flight because of 3PD.....so what really happened...one thing for sure is that Flight was rushed out the door, not enough DLC and unfinished products/DLC.

 

You don't build International airport (Hawaii) thinking about Maules landing .....I'll leave it at that.

It was interesting to read in various forums that Ms do not own anything to 3pd -

 

the prove is in the pudding !! a sim without the input of 3pd freeware and payware is a dead sim even before it is born !! - Ms own ALOT to all those devs who kindly donated their time for free or as professionals !!

View PostMountain Man, on 29 July 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

And, in truth, Flight was very much the end of flight simming as we know it (at least as far as Microsoft is concerned).

 

Don't bet everything you have on that.... :Whistle:

 

Actually, I think that's a very safe bet. Microsoft is quite definitely out of the flight simulator business for the foreseeable future.

 

Did we not see the same reaction from both side when MS closed Aces?

 

The difference is that FSX was a very successful product, and the closure of ACES was unexpected and surprised a lot of people (including those working at ACES), so it was plausible that Microsoft would revisit the flight simulator market. Flight, however, has been a massive failure, so I can't imagine the Microsoft bean counters rushing to approve another flight simulator oriented project.