This site, mentioned by Jim Driscoll above, has loads of info on this crash all of which discredits the official findings. It also backs up what Lou, the TWA capt. on the CS forum, said about piece of seat cushion with rocket fuel residue on it. Check out the eye witness section too.

 

http://twa800.com/

http://twa800.com/iamaw/iamaw.htm

the password doesn't work for me. does anybody have another link? or the correct password?

 

Same here.

""https://vimeo.com/59099154""

 

Here's a video of the new documentary. I believe the password is "epix123" (without the quotation marks)

 

PS: The video is 1hr 45min long.

 

That passwod does not work. Bob.

No doubt in my mind, Jim!! Thanks!

The "Rocket Fuel" residue was explained. It was RDX and was put there during a training exercise previously for bomb dog training.

 

 

What about the UFO's? Everyone knows it was the UFO's that shot it down.

http://www.cashill.com/twa800/expos_redherring1of2.htm

I've been away for a while on vacation.  I was transitioning to a new job which is why I took time off--I am a government IT worker now at the state level (although I am interfaced with the federal government), so for the first time in my life I have some inside understanding on the workings of government rather than sheer speculation.  Although my father was a government worker and investigator for many years, I did not delve into how he did his work that much--but I did know he was earnest and honest in his role, in the nuclear industry.

 

I haven't read the posts in this thread because I know it stirs up some controversy and passion.  I didn't want to stir my own passions or get angry at someone.  I don't know the truth of what happened, so I won't rule out the possibility of a missile or even a bomb anymore.  But my gut instinct tells me the accident happened as it was described--a fuel tank explosion.

 

My thoughts:

 

~First and foremost, and this is only what I've learned after joining the government myself, is it is not a mix of conspirators plotting to hide information from the public.  The state and federal workers and laws I am exposed to are strict, and are enforced in such a way to make sure state and federal services get delivered honestly to the people.

 

~Second, I've always been bothered by one thing.  If any aircraft mfr had a defect that could cause an aircraft to explode, those that profit from their work are just as likely to spin a web of deception as the government--maybe not even consciously, but they do it.  Even more so, since profit drives people to do extreme things and cross moral boundaries they might not otherwise cross.

 

~Reading into this thread, I see nothing new.  Same thing I've seen before and given the source is Fox News, I don't feel it is an unbiased news site but that is just my take on things.  "Experts" always come out with their opinions and Fox news does like to stir the pot more than most media organizations I've encountered.  I'm glad they do since churning things up sometimes makes us realize the original story was the right one all along.  Truth is, we're all experts to some degree--as we grow older our life experience tends to educate us rather equally.  Our eyes are all recording information, just different types of information based on what we do in our lives and hobbies.  I'd argue there's people who frequent these forums who are just as well versed in aviation matters as many we see in these media reports.  Some believe one side of TWA 800, some believe the other.

 

Where does that leave me then?  A lot of people lost their lives and it was a sad event.  Regardless of how TWA 800 played out, I think of the people on board that flight who were going off on vacations, or honeymoons, or to see loved ones, or to do military service somewhere.  I pray their souls will be at peace and wherever they are at, they aren't watching all this debate decades later that still divides people and makes people believe things that may or may not be true about our government workers and investigative bodies.

 

Those are my thoughts

 

Regards,

 

John

I have worked with the NTSB and FAA on a fatality crash and with some of the folks you see on many of these Crash Investigation and the like shows. I have also attended courses w/ this nations best known and experienced experts on airline/airport  acts of terror, explosives. These are honorable people who do one heck of a job and are very smart at what they do. And yes the rocket residue came from a sniffing exercise for a K-9, nothing new there, a seat cushion, really, that's it, only one. And radar, better bone up on that before making claims about seeing objects, blips  B)

From what I understand the pre eminent conspiracy theory regarding TWA800 is that it was accidentally shot down by the US Navy - possibly while testing a hitherto classified submarine launched surface to air missile.

 

Whilst a lot of the conspiracy stuff is quite compelling, it falls over on one pretty major fact:

 

To cover up such an event would require the complicity of hundreds of people in the US Navy, NTSB, FBI and the White House - all of whom would have to maintain utter silence for all these years without anything leaking out.

 

What's the probability of that?

 

 

One thing that has always puzzled me about this case is the wiring in the fuel tank. As a marine engineer with a lot of experience sailing on tankers one thing we learned a long time ago is you never ever put a potential source of ignition in a fuel tank. Why did Boeing do so? Was it standard practice in the aircraft industry?

Just about every vehicle driving the roads of the world have fuel pumps submerged in the fuel tank.

How many just blow up?

Just about every vehicle driving the roads of the world have fuel pumps submerged in the fuel tank.

How many just blow up?

Not sure...how many carry Jet Fuel and several wires of high voltage through the tank?  How many have 2 Air Conditioning packs sitting right under the fuel tank?

 

Look up Thai Airways B737-400 which exploded at Don Muang, and Philippine Airlines B737-300 which exploded in Manila. These types of accidents do happen when the planets in the universe all align.

BIGSKY, on 26 Jun 2013 - 6:23 PM, said:

 

Just about every vehicle driving the roads of the world have fuel pumps submerged in the fuel tank.

How many just blow up?

 

A huge aviation disaster is already by definition an extremely rare event. Claiming that because the failure mode hasn't happened a bunch of times in the past that it couldn't have happened here isn't a valid argument. Most catastrophic mechanical failures that cause aircraft to crash aren't common. This is the same problem you see with the 9/11 conspiracy theorists - a building has never fallen down due to being hit by airliners before, therefore controlled demolition must have brought down the WTC towers. How many times exactly in the past have 767's full of fuel doing 400+ knots hit skyscrapers? Exactly zero before that day - there is no valid body of evidence with which to compare it to and it's terrible logic.

 

The number of difficult questions that would have to be satisfactorily answered for these kinds of events to be massive conspiracies is huge and borders on the absurd. The government could not keep real indisputable evidence of a highly secret surveillance program from becoming public earlier this month. You really think that they somehow did manage to keep real hard evidence of things like a missile shootdown of an airliner over the US secret? That only questionable "evidence" brought forth by questionable people under questionable motives 17 years after the fact is all you'd get? Not one person on the Navy ship that supposedly fired this missile had a conscience? I find all these things (and a ton of others I'm not going to type out) extremely hard to believe - much moreso than believing that a rare sequence of events stemming from our imperfect engineering and maintenance prowess occurred and exploded the center fuel tank. Aviation history is chock full of these type of incidents where yes, a highly improbable chain of systems events did in fact lead to a disaster.

 

The human mind naturally tries to find intent and purposeful causation for seemingly unbelievable events - it's well documented psychology. It doesn't however mean that the intent actually exists just because some people feel it must.

Just about every vehicle driving the roads of the world have fuel pumps submerged in the fuel tank.

How many just blow up?

I've seen many a car fire in my day, Some were even parked with the ignition turned off when they caught fire. A friend of mines Nissan caught fire parked in his garage and took half the house with it.

 

In fact I am sure thousands of cars catch fire everyday around the world. Just google Car Fire and click on the news feeds. No shortage or reports there.

 

I can count on one hand how many 747's have caught fire by comparison. In other words it doesn't compare.

It all boils down to what you believe is credible, In my eyes,our government has no credibility,And who's main mission is to protect Bankers and corporations.