Deleted my original. A little too rude.

 

Yeah see this is where we differ... I make an accurate observation and point it out...  but I am not going fire out insults... veiled or otherwise.

I'm fully aware Beck left a while ago. The quote is slightly older. Insert any name there. The point remains and stands.

 

That is it Elijah. 30 day suspension for you for bad conduct and nasty behavior.

Yeah see this is where we differ... I make an accurate observation and point it out...  but I am not going fire out insults... veiled or otherwise.

 

You all ready have, and then some. 30 day suspension for your abusive behavior too.

Wow! Tough regime! I've read through the whole of this thread and I couldn't see anything that deserved a 30 day ban for anybody! This whole discussion has the flavour of a robust club house talk over a few beers.

:rolleyes:

Everybody needs a 365 day ban on watching the news.

I am tired of smart people playing off the ignorance/stupidity of others in order to push some agenda or program. Wow, with all these outside "experts" why waste money/training on those who do things for a living. I stayed in a Holiday Inn last night, anyone need a heart transplant.<br />Let there be NO MISTAKE I was NOT directing my remarks to anyone individual on this forum then or now. As for this program, I stand by my words and we went to the moon not once but many times and the world is not flat either.

Remember that 230 people lost their lives on Flight 800, they have surviving families out there today. let's not rub salt in old wounds by debating over the internet about an event that did not effect most of us directly.

 

If their was enough evidence to reopen an investigation I am sure that would have happened already. This was one of the most expensive and most thorough investigations in US history and has been closed for over a decade, I am not sure how this thread can add anything more to this incident.

I couldn't see anything that deserved a 30 day ban

I respect your judgment and you are probably right, at least initially, but when angry members defiantly push right on through a detailed written warning, there's not a lot of choice for a moderator except to act as warned. They both roared through the red light, with one sending me a flatout refusal to moderate his words and the other saying he was willing to do so, but takes another jab instead.

 

Look at how fast and nasty this thread turned, with both extreme sides of the divide characteristically unconcerned about the people they are talking to. For every hurled abuse others jumped in to take sides. Just like that they forgot about TWA Flt. 800 and the 230 that died or cared about paying them some respect by showing a bit of respect themselves to each other.

 

How many threads on AVSIM have had to be closed because of mean spirited grudges of a political nature just can't be left unexpressed but thrown in the other's side face? What makes it worse is the false piety, and both having no problem ruining the OP's thread, or defying authority by breaking every rule in the book, and then taking another poke.

 

Many times in the past this kind of nonsense resulted in permanent bans or longer suspensions. I tread softly when compared with those and I might have been more lenient yet had their been a shred of regret or remorse. There might even be some leeway still if there was any sign of regret for the poor behavior and nasty attitudes. No one enjoys being moderated or being a moderator at times like this.

 

Please remember the 230 dead. RIP

 

Kind regards,

 

 

if you want unbiased news

 

LOL...there is no such thing.

Were I am member at CS I would be happy to do so - his little story of the supersonic 727 rudder control failure is BS as well.  This nonsense isn't worth my time.

 

DJ

Actually that's a well documented problem with the 737 back i the 80's-90's (I think 727 was a typo, as he talked about the the 737 right after that) I believe I actually was on one of those 737 flights. It was an USAIR 737 flight back in 80's from Boston to Pittsburgh. They never told us the real cause although I always suspected the rudder issue. We were at cruise altitude in clear skies, no turbulence what so ever. All of a sudden the plane rolled almost a full 90 degrees to the left, then again to the right then recovered. The pilot came on PA to apologize for the sudden maneuver and asked the flight attendants to make sure everyone was ok, but said they didn't know what caused it. The remainder of the flight was without incident (We were close to descent at the time). There apparently were a couple of injuries, as EMS personnel met the aircraft on the ground, and a couple of people were taken from the plane, (Before we were allowed to disembark) It didn't appear to be anything serious though, one person looked like they may have been burned, probably from Coffee.

Here is a good site with alternate info.

http://twa800.com/

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/CIAVIDEO/neteagle.html

ubersu, on 20 Jun 2013 - 11:34 AM, said:

I doubt if this is going anywhere.

 

Money generator.

 

 

The US government, like every single one on planet earth, has it's inefficiencies, but two departments may be the best in the world... The NTSB, and NASA. As an example in this case, the FBI was making statements like "of course it was a bomb" on the first day. Why? Because the FBI looks at everything from a "crime here" point of view. It's their job. The NTSB on the other hand simply said "on going investigation" until that was finished.

 

The NTSB got it right, and 747's are even safer now then they already were.

 

I think it says allot that people point the finger at "crime here" first, as opposed to "plane of death manufacture". Aircraft have become so well engineered, we assume its something

other then the plane.

Can we stop with the crap charge about Fox News and conspiracy theories?

Can you post one?

I stopped watching CNN and MSNBC because of the heavy bias toward (in favor of) Obama during the 2008 election... absolutely pathetic and turn-your-stomach sickening. Thankfully... there was an alternative.

Matthew... can you even watch Fox in New Zealand?

 

As the concorde11 put it... another one "in your flavor".http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/national_world&id=9144746

 

Precisely... the ABC article says, "Six retired members of the original investigation team filed a petition Wednesday to reopen the probe".

A half dozen investigators wanting to reopen the investigation doesn't smack of a conspiracy... If they believe something else happened... let them present what evidence they have... why not take a second look?

MSNBC is very leftist but Fox is so far right its not even funny

All of a sudden the plane rolled almost a full 90 degrees

 

I believe the NTSB solved this puzzle and was documented in a T.V. show somewhere. It was thermal shock of the rudder control piston and hydraulic systems. One of the single hardest cases ever investigated. It was almost pure serendipity how they figured it out.

""https://vimeo.com/59099154""

 

Here's a video of the new documentary. I believe the password is "epix123" (without the quotation marks)

 

PS: The video is 1hr 45min long.

the password doesn't work for me. does anybody have another link? or the correct password?

Have always looked at this tragedy from a purely technical standpoint, not biased "news" from either viewpoint. The mere fact that there are investigators, now retired, who have intimate knowledge of it, and who are now coming out and speaking about it warrants another look. I have always had a very disquieting feeling about this accident. The operational and environmental factors of that flight on that particular night was nothing atypical. My biggest reservation with the findings comes from the fact that the NTSB could not reproduce the scenario they claim occurred during numerous ground tests. An unproven theory is just that, a theory. The Gander Dc-8 crash led to the disbandantment of the Canadian accident investigation board. It was proven, though, that the aircraft was at least 14,000 lbs heavier than what the crew had calculated and that the wings were likely contaminated with ice. True, the aircraft presumably was similarly overloaded on the 2 previous legs. The ice contamination degraded the lift to the point that the aircraft was unable to lift off and maintain flight.

HawkDsl, on 22 Jun 2013 - 12:43 AM, said:

I believe the NTSB solved this puzzle and was documented in a T.V. show somewhere. It was thermal shock of the rudder control piston and hydraulic systems. One of the single hardest cases ever investigated. It was almost pure serendipity how they figured it out.

Interestingly, it was the mishap of a WestJet 737 in which the crew was able to recover the aircraft that ultimately aided in solving the UAL Colorado Springs and the UsAir Pittsburgh accidents.