It's liveries and the additional payware livery packs are crap. Even colors are not correct, let alone details.

I would say the best 777 in simulation is the beta version on PMDG hard drives.

 

 

PMDG is not released yet plus it's a 32bit plane waiting for release on a 6yr old sim.,,,,yawnnn 5-10fps complaints after release :lol:   Plus no EFB and other special graphical enhancements like HDR LIGHTING, WEATHER EFFECTS ON PLANE, ETC. ETC.

PMDG is not released yet plus it's a 32bit plane waiting for release on a 6yr old sim.,,,,yawnnn 5-10fps complaints after release :lol:   Plus no EFB and other special graphical enhancements like HDR LIGHTING, WEATHER EFFECTS ON PLANE, ETC. ETC.

 

And still when it releases, it will be 10 times closer to the real thing, than R&P 777 is...

I am very disappointed! The sound is much better and the lighting as well, that's for sure a good thing. Otherwise the textures still do look horrible (blurry). The TOGA still doesnt work (when N1 is let's say 90.5%, it will only accelerate very slowly to 80%-85%).

 

And it has now problems to stabilize on the the fly-path (the LNAV-navigation oscillates a little bit).

 

It isn't really fun to fly it :-(

LOL, PMDG is still beta to you but as a beta it looks 100x better than R+P's 777. The textures really need a big update. I see them working on new planes and models but really wish they would focus on getting at least the vc of this plane looking up to par. It's sad that a modern flight sim such as X-Plane, there are still no commercial airliners that look as good as the ones on FSX which is a dying platform. If it can be done on such an old platform as FSX, then I'm sure it can be done for X-Plane as well. It's just a matter of putting forth that dedication and effort into it. Hell they charge like $80 for this, not including any of the additional liveries, at least they can make a half way decent virtual cockpit. Have you seen the lighting on the latest screenshots of PMDG's 777? It's miles above the HDR improvements on this plane. You must be blind if you think this plane looks better. ETC ETC, you can't even come up with anything.

 

I'm not trying to put down this plane, all I want to see are some improvements to the textures for the vc, since thats where I spend a lot of my time. It's just plain horrible to look at while in this view. I don't know about the others but to me I have high standards when it comes to the level of detail. Which is why I wish PMDG would hurry up and start developing for X-Plane.

Maybe you should contact the developers with your concerns. There is no guarantee that they even look at this forum.

http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=68648

 

confirmed by Dev :yahoo:  New Sounds, lights, textures, 300ER Model, etc.

 

Thank you for the heads-up on this update Five.  That's why I always look for the chipmunk in these forums. He's the little "News Chipmunk".  :smile:

PMDG is not released yet plus it's a 32bit plane waiting for release on a 6yr old sim.,,,,yawnnn 5-10fps complaints after release :lol:   Plus no EFB and other special graphical enhancements like HDR LIGHTING, WEATHER EFFECTS ON PLANE, ETC. ETC.

 

Interesting. So, 32-bit planes can't fly i presume. Also, how in the world can you attain 10fps on FSX, it's nearly impossible. Nobody that flies seriously would even consider using an integrated EFB, being so small and impractical. I understand not everyone has an iPad/secondary PC/Laptop, etc but still, it's highly difficult to read anything on such a small screen... but i'll give you that.

 

As for the 6 year old sim, yeah it is, but it's the best you can get right now and it's very very good really. And i rather have a proper 777 (PMDG) without HDR and all the cute weather effects, that will perform like a 777 in place of an enthusiast's 777 that will always leave something to be desired.

 

In a few years i'll be happy to revise what i said, but right now X-Plane is learning from the master and not the other way around. And so much it has to learn...

INTERJECTION:

 

If we are going to debate the merits of the two 777s ought we not to wait until both are actually released before driving up a thread for closure???

 

Ha...carry on.

You can carry on without me, i'm not into a versus thing really (and that will probably cause the thread to be locked). Just though i'd throw that into the air as it is my personal opinion.

guys, I have fs9/fsx/p3d/xpx64 and DCS 64bit all installed and running great.  I do not go into fsx/p3d threads bashing products and Dev's hard work.  The PMDG 777 looks amazing but it's only fsx..not P3D and it's 32bit.  Please research the difference between 32bit and 64bit in a time where computers have over 4gb of memory.  I doubt there is a person in this thread that only has 4gb of memory in their PC.  It's 2013, time to enjoy fsx/p3d but slowly move into new sim territory.

I've given up comparing the X-Plane10 airliners I own to either of the PMDG, Wilco or Aerosoft stuff I have for FSX / P3D. It's useless because while you can have, for instance, on Peter's A380 the best flight dynamics for such an aircraft and the most advanced flight guidance system, capable of perfect autolands up to the published limits, the systems simulation is so far from an Airbus modeled say, by Wilco, Aerosoft, PSS/BSS, that if we feel fine flight dynamics wise, we immediately feel bad about the lack of some systems detail...

 

Then, the 777 is the first sophisticated aircraft of the type developed for XPX. I could probably try to compare it to, systems-wise, the PSS777 I owned long ago for fs2004. But, while it has many complex functions and systems modeled already, it is limited in terms of accuracy, and shouldn't really be compared to a PMDG 737NGX or the upcoming 777.

 

Therefore, it's more a question of embracing, or not, X-Plane10, and accept it's present limitations (certainly many) and bugs, at the same time looking forward for the future. Things are happening at a good pace now, more on the scenery side thanks to the work of a few who have been able to get OSM, Mesh, etc.. to levels that one year ago were simply not available.

 

It will take a lot of time, or maybe not that much, to get a better ATC, AI / Traffic is progressing rapidly, Atmosphere (visual effects) will probably receive more updates, some aspects of aircraft systems modeling are certainly being worked to suite the needs of important parties ( PMDG, evem R&P, X-Aviation ?, etc... )

 

I believe no one with a setup based on good add-ons for either FSX or P3D should consider jumping with his/her bags to XPX. She/he would be returning soon after, unless the use of a Linux or OSX based operating system ties her/him to XPX. It is still too soon to give up on the stability and coverage, and even quality ( sometimes high quality ) of FSX / P3D add-ons.

 

OTOH, if  decides to start contributing to the future of X-Plane10 ( and upcoming versions ) then one has to be open-minded and be prepared to accept the negative aspects, love the positive ones, and avoid comparisons...

 

This being said, it looks like I was not the guy who wrote it... I am so unstable regarding this all sim stuff, that I will not even let you know how I am feeling right now ;-) Don't follow me!!! (as if you didn't know that already ... )

Hi five-by-five. May I have two questions:

1) I read somewhere that X-plane does not support system simulation as well as FSX right? Or developers now found a way to work around this issue (if it is an issue) for making really hard-core system simulation for x-plane...

2) Is this ramzess 777 a "hard-core" addon (I means we need to really read the manual to get it flies properly, as many systems are simulated as possible (and possibity for failure simulation).? I read somewhere that engine performance is somehow now abit odd (right?) but I think it is not a deal breaker yet as I think the developer will fix that sometimes...

I've just taken triple 7 for a short test flight. I'm terrified how awful this aircraft still is.

 

Starting from lots of holes in the 3d model (both exterior and interior), some of which have been reported on initial release and still not fixed.

LNAV having serious problems trying to capture desired track. I couldn't believe what i saw when a simple direct put the plane flying orbits trying to capture route from PPOS to the desired point and never did it. Had to fly HDG mode...

Not to mention "details" like wrong ETO calculation by FMS.

 

PMDG first 737 (released like 10 yrs ago?) was waaay ahead of this. That is unbelievable, especially considering Phillip is a very talented X-Plane dev.

The best part is i don't want to even try to post this on their forums, as it is hosted on .org and i'm afraid i would get banned by telling all the truth of what i just saw.

 

Man, i'm not coming back to FSX, but this is really depressing <_<

Back to flying Flyjsim 727 and Felis Yak-40 i guess.

I've just taken triple 7 for a short test flight. I'm terrified how awful this aircraft still is.

 

Starting from lots of holes in the 3d model (both exterior and interior), some of which have been reported on initial release and still not fixed.

LNAV having serious problems trying to capture desired track. I couldn't believe what i saw when a simple direct put the plane flying orbits trying to capture route from PPOS to the desired point and never did it. Had to fly HDG mode...

Not to mention "details" like wrong ETO calculation by FMS.

 

PMDG first 737 (released like 10 yrs ago?) was waaay ahead of this. That is unbelievable, especially considering Phillip is a very talented X-Plane dev.

The best part is i don't want to even try to post this on their forums, as it is hosted on .org and i'm afraid i would get banned by telling all the truth of what i just saw.

 

Man, i'm not coming back to FSX, but this is really depressing <_<

Back to flying Flyjsim 727 and Felis Yak-40 i guess.

Sad but true.