X-Plane 10 could be the future if and when the big developers start making quality addons for that platform. Until then, I'm happy with where FSX is and I'm sure when Steve's DX10 fix is available I'll be that little more happier

 

 

 

An ideal scenario would be to reassemble ACES under new Microsoft leadership and develop an SP3 that makes the program 64-bit and DX10 or DX11 compatible, and making the program take advantage of today's CPUs and GPUs wouldn't hurt either.

 

A couple of reasons why I don't think this will happen:

1. I assume a 64-bit conversion would have to be more than just a service pack, it would have to be an entire rewrite of the code. Not to mention it would more than likely make all the addons we have now useless. Not sure if the same applies to DX11 compatibility.
2. Microsoft doesn't see the PC gaming market (not just Flight Sim) as top money making priority anymore. Or desktop computers for that matter! The focus is more on smaller devices and the gaming console market.

+1 jambo50

Then tell the P3D folks to quit pushing it as Entertainment software when it clearly is not, nor will P3Dv2 be Entertainment software. The road goes both ways.

 

 

And MS would have to be part of this issue discussion also and clearly they are not going to be.

You and others have made your point countless times already. Seemingly trolling the forums to pounce on any mention of P3D with EULA arguments.

 

It doesn't matter. If P3Dv2 is as readily available as v1 is now and it's really good, then many people are going to buy it no matter what moral objections you or others personally have.

 

So it's a valid part of this discussion of the future of the hobby. It may not be your future but it will be for a ton of people if its a milestone of technology and capability.

 

 

I think I'm stuck with FSX forever, except if LM would at some point reconsider the EULA issue, which does not allow its use for entertainment purposes (and the conflict of some addons' EULAs, which do not allow the use of those products in P3D).

 

Just to be clear, it's not LM's Eula that is at issue, it's the license agreement that LM has with MS that prevents them from offering P3D as an entertainment product. That said, LM would never have any interest in publishing an home entertainment product, so even if MS released them from that condition it's unlikely they would do it. LM customers are Government, Military and Commercial clients exclusively. The only way it's being offered to us, is in the guise of professional or academic usage.

You and others have made your point countless times already. Seemingly trolling the forums to pounce on any mention of P3D with EULA arguments.

 

It doesn't matter. If P3Dv2 is as readily available as v1 is now and it's really good, then many people are going to buy it no matter what moral objections you or others personally have.

 

So it's a valid part of this discussion of the future of the hobby. It may not be your future but it will be for a ton of people if its a milestone of technology and capability.

The next story is a true one:

 

One day when I was going to retrieve money from my local ATM I found a envelope on the floor in front of the machine containing $120.00, no name, no address, no clues as to whom this money belong too.

 

I went inside the bank and gave the envelope to a teller explaining how and where I found the envelope, as I was telling my story to the teller a woman enter the bank and went to the manager saying that she (by mistake) left a envelope with $120.00 in it at the ATM machine, we both (me and the teller) heard the woman, the teller approached the woman and gave her the money back.

 

I could have put the money in my pocket, walk away and make up plenty of reasons why I should have keep the money, nobody would have come after me in my house or else to see if I had that money.

 

Why did I not keep the money? I could have right? I could have keep my mouth shut and nobody but me would have know I had it. I could also have make myself feel better by saying stuff like "Somebody else would have keep it, so I'm not worse", why not....the answer is easy, no matter what reasons I could have come up with to keep the money I knew I was not eligible to it, and that's where your word moral come in to play, you said it not me.

 

Expresses my predicament exactly! Well said!

 

Stephen

 

 

 

 

Expresses my predicament exactly! Well said!

 

Stephen

Stephen, pull back a little on your sliders, you'r stuttering.....LOL

I don't care about your moral arguments and pretty clearly said they have no relevancy to what will or won't happen with P3D. I thought I made that clear? Why waste the time even typing all that up?

I personally can use it with no issues because I'm training for my PPL.

 

But you and others are delusional if you think P3Dv2 won't be picked up by many, many sim enthusists if it is 1) available as easily as it is now 2) it's really good 3) LM continues to push users to buy it even if they don't appear to meet interpretations of the EULA

 

You and others aren't going to stop it by making posts on a couple of forums.

 

That makes it completely relevant in the discussion of the future of the hobby whether you'll buy it or not. Unless Avsim wants to ban the mention of it and lock down the P3D forum I think people should be able to discuss P3D without constantly being sidetracked by the same 4-5 forum users who find there way to any thread that mentions it's future version.

 

Furthermore, the number of simmers who actually do have a SPL, PPL (or higher), or are training for one in some capacity represents a large group. This again makes P3D relevant to the future of the hobby.

Bonchie is right.  While the P3D debate is not something that I've closely followed, nor do I own it myself,  it does indeed appear that some of you guys really do troll the forums for any mention of P3D as an opportunity to demonstrate how sanctimonious and holier-than-thou you are.  That's just my observation.

my personal opinion is : PFPX just got out which means you can now plan your route the way it should be planned also the 777 is days away . which means fsx is still safe for another 2 or 3 years .

just my 2 cents

The fact is regarding P3D V2, myself nor anyone here can claim and know and make decisions for LM. We also can't interpret some EULA for V2 because its simply not out yet. As for statements to hang on to from before as what LMs intentions and purpose are, they are that Alone. Intentions. And present purpose. How many companies have said their intentions and said explicitly that they will never be involved in such and such a market or niche and then reconsider options and Change things up a bit. Who knows. Unless you work for LM on the P3D team with insider knowledge we just don't know. Anything can happen including some third party rebranding it as FS 2014 or something. Who really knows. Money talks, and if there's a way to bring in extra money source, then they will use it.

 

So instead of making decisions for other companies, we just all have hope that somehow someway we are still simming with a decent platform that meets our needs whatever that may be. Fsx with dx10. XPX, P3DV2, or some other secret platform unknown to us at this time.

Just don't bash other peoples hopes and dreams for whichever way they are hoping for.

 

 

P3Dv2... Build it and they come.

 

 

Just don't bash other peoples hopes and dreams for whichever way they are hoping for.

 

Best one liner I have read all day!

There are no moral arguments against buying P3D, if you pay for a product, congrats it's yours. There are plenty of practical arguments though.

As someone pointed out earlier in this thread - with this year seeing the release of products like FTXG, PMDG 777, Majestic Dash 8, A2A C172 it's pretty clear that FSX is going stronger than ever. FSX will be around for a while yet.

 

Look at some of the titles in the combat simulation arena for examples of what a dedicated and enthusiastic community can do when the developer/publisher loses interest:

 

 - Falcon 4 was ditched by Hasbro fairly soon after release, yet here we are nearly fifteen years after release and it's still going strong with community led development such as BMS.

 

 - Battle of Britain 2: Wings of Victory is still being actively developed by a very dedicated group of users, and is arguably the most complete and historically accurate WW2 sim available eight years after it was originally released.

 

 - IL-2 Sturmovik is twelve years old this year and is still going strong with active development of new patches bringing new features, as well as an extremely active modding community making huge amounts of new content.

 

Did I mention all of these sims have one thing in common - all the development work is done by enthusiasts who make their work available for free and not a single £/$/€ changes hands. There are no commercial entities involved, no-one is trying to make money, stress levels are far lower, and everyone seems to get along much better than in the MSFS community!

 

 

BTW, sad to see that some people are still trying to drag this down into another P3D EULA argument. Surely that horse is so long dead now it's starting to make quite a stench. Can't we all just get along?

Because people in this hobby always are chasing the "latest and greatest". Its true of hardware, base programs, add-ons and even freeware. Many think the latest is "best" and they need to have it until the next things come along. They never quite get there, but they keep on trying. Reminds me of a dog chasing it's tail.

 

Guess you're still running FS 1.0 then and see no reason to upgrade...

One way or another, P3D will be the flight simulator of choice down the road. To the naysayers and holier than thou's who endlessly troll and spout the EULA - seeking the LEGAL definition of the word ENTERTAINMENT as it applies to THIS situation might be most helpful.

 

A possibility also to consider - MS licensed ESP to LM with the caveat not to enter the "entertainment" market. Most think this was due to the release of MS Flight - possibly so. But considering that MS FLight is no longer - what's to prevent MS from broadening that license to LM and reaping in additional profits?

 

Personally I would doubt that LM would agree - they are not equipped for retail distribution - ie a packaged DVD product but it is fun to speculate.

 

There are WAY too many variables regarding P3D to make ANY sort of statement other than it is better (IMHO) as it sits, than FSX and looks to get even better. Until the final decisions come down, whenever that may be, I shall continue to use P3D and work very hard NOT to be entertained.

 

Bottom line - if you want to buy P3D, buy it - if you don't - don't buy it. The world will continue either way.

 

A final word on the EULA -  do not listen to anyone on the forums who play armchair lawyers and attempt to interpret the EULA - there are only 3 groups that I can think of who have that right - MS legal staff, LM legal staff and the Court system should they be asked - anyone else is just voicing an opinion - their right but simply one person's opinion.

 

Vic