November 22, 201312 yr Commercial Member Everyone seems to keep forgetting about Microsoft in these threads. You know, the company which "owns" the franchise and retains all the entertainment space rights. Most of the people arguing that P3D is okay for entertainment (along with an assortment of other assertions) forget about a lot of things, with one in particular: reality. See Also: Denial Cognitive Dissonance (Resolution of) Kyle Rodgers
November 22, 201312 yr It's a tenuous connection made by the OP between a completely casual non-binding YouTube statement promoting FlightBeam scenery in P3D in which P3D is promoted for "home simulation use" which he mistakenly infers to mean "an entertainment license", which P3D has not. And FlightBeam also has a history. It's already had to retract statements it made on Facebook. See post #9 here. Gerry Howard
November 22, 201312 yr Isn't this another EULA discussion? Do we really need it? No, this topic officially ended when the release announcement was made or at least it sure seems so. Idle prattle at this juncture. I wonder if what we are seeing is PMDG holding out for LM to offer them some sort of a deal since everyone knows PMDG is at the top of the list of preferred aircraft add ons for most users. Perhaps it's a case of PMDG holding out as long as possible to apply a little leverage for LM to entice them to jump on board. If that's the case though it may backfire since it seems in large part LM holds most of the cards in this sort of a negotiation--i.e., people will jump ship, at least as far as future add ons goes, IF P3D v2.x is as good as we all hope it is. Which really puts a big damper on the 747 v2. Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
November 22, 201312 yr I just wonder what is in it for Microsoft to keep hanging on to the "Entertainment" market for Flight Sim. They are clearly not going to make another sim and are completely out of this business. So in that case why not just throw LM a bone and release them from this contraint. Even if LM does not market P3D to the home user it would eliminate any ambiguity and let us all get on with it. Mark CYYZ
November 22, 201312 yr They are clearly not going to make another sim and are completely out of this business. There is no way for you to know this. For one thing it is a franchise of historical value to the company (similar to Microsoft Office). And maybe MS sees LM make a good enough go of it and decides to resurrect the franchise. We just don't know. FSX: PMDG 744/MD11/JS41/736/737/738/739, CS752/753/763/C130, SimCheck A300, Leonardo MD82, MJC DH8D, Aerosoft CRJ7/CRJ9/A318/A319/A320/A321, RAZBAM Metroliner, ORBX Global, FlyTampa KBUF/OMDB/TNCM/VHHX, ActiveSky Next DCS: A-10C II/F-16C/AH-64D/F-15E/KA-50 III/Mi-24/Persian Gulf/Syria/F-15C XP11: FF 752/753, iniBuilds A306, HotStart TBM900 MSFS: Fenix A320, FS2Crew Fenix A320, FS2Crew Pushback Express, PMDG B77W, ActiveSky FS, Drzewiecki Design UUEE
November 22, 201312 yr And maybe LM just does not care for the entertainment market... --Peter Fabian
November 22, 201312 yr There is no way for you to know this. For one thing it is a franchise of historical value to the company (similar to Microsoft Office). And maybe MS sees LM make a good enough go of it and decides to resurrect the franchise. We just don't know. Historical Value ? I don't think so, sentimental value perhaps. I guess none of us know for sure but I think it is a pretty good educated guess and MS always has the option of restricting the licensing for P3D 32 bit versions only, or for a specific number of years (say 5) so that if they do ever come out with a new consumer flight sim they could get back in without any LM competition. Anyway, stay tuned because after the new MS CEO is installed MS will be out of the gaming business altogether.....spinning off XBox and any othe gaming platforms they are currently involved in. Mark CYYZ
November 22, 201312 yr And maybe LM just does not care for the entertainment market... Good point there. FSX: PMDG 744/MD11/JS41/736/737/738/739, CS752/753/763/C130, SimCheck A300, Leonardo MD82, MJC DH8D, Aerosoft CRJ7/CRJ9/A318/A319/A320/A321, RAZBAM Metroliner, ORBX Global, FlyTampa KBUF/OMDB/TNCM/VHHX, ActiveSky Next DCS: A-10C II/F-16C/AH-64D/F-15E/KA-50 III/Mi-24/Persian Gulf/Syria/F-15C XP11: FF 752/753, iniBuilds A306, HotStart TBM900 MSFS: Fenix A320, FS2Crew Fenix A320, FS2Crew Pushback Express, PMDG B77W, ActiveSky FS, Drzewiecki Design UUEE
November 22, 201312 yr Commercial Member Lots and lots of speculation and awkward assumptions in this thread. Kyle Rodgers
November 22, 201312 yr Lots and lots of speculation and awkward assumptions in this thread. True. Just like all the similar previous ones. FSX: PMDG 744/MD11/JS41/736/737/738/739, CS752/753/763/C130, SimCheck A300, Leonardo MD82, MJC DH8D, Aerosoft CRJ7/CRJ9/A318/A319/A320/A321, RAZBAM Metroliner, ORBX Global, FlyTampa KBUF/OMDB/TNCM/VHHX, ActiveSky Next DCS: A-10C II/F-16C/AH-64D/F-15E/KA-50 III/Mi-24/Persian Gulf/Syria/F-15C XP11: FF 752/753, iniBuilds A306, HotStart TBM900 MSFS: Fenix A320, FS2Crew Fenix A320, FS2Crew Pushback Express, PMDG B77W, ActiveSky FS, Drzewiecki Design UUEE
November 22, 201312 yr Lots and lots of speculation and awkward assumptions in this thread. Your point being ? Regards,Brian Doney
November 22, 201312 yr The point being is that there are lots of people simply guessing. Fact is pmdg is well within their rights to not support p3d at a home entertainment level. It is their choice not yours. No amount of forum whining will change that.
November 22, 201312 yr My comment wasn't speculation. LM have already stated that P3Dv2 can be used for simulation purposes, and that means that every single one of us can purchase it. Whether PMDG comes along for the ride or not is irrelevant. Christopher Low AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme UK2000 Beta Tester
November 22, 201312 yr The point being is that there are lots of people simply guessing.Fact is pmdg is well within their rights to not support p3d at a home entertainment level.It is their choice not yours.No amount of forum whining will change that. I personally don't care what PMDG does regarding P3D, but please, keep assuming. I'm just more curious if Kyle himself had an actual point, or if it was more of the usual daily thread-crapping. This isn't yours, or Kyle's, discussion forum, it's all of ours, moderated by PMDG, not Andrew Greentree. The idea that because you don't like what someone is talking about, you get to crap all over the thread, is something that is seemingly only tolerated here, and it is curious. I'd like to find out more. Regards,Brian Doney
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