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Tom Allensworth

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The suggestion made in the "Why are simmers.... rude" topic that we should consider opening a "Newbie" forum is a good one and has merit. I cringe every time I hear someone report that a new user left because the were bullied, told rudely "RTFM", et al... So, we are thinking about this and here is what I was considering:

 

Name: Members New to Flight Simulation

 

Purpose: Provide a forum for members new to flight simulation where all questions are welcome and responses are provided by knowledgeable contributors to our hobby who want to see you succeed in this hobby.

 

Location: TBD. I am thinking of opening an entire category all of its own. Any suggestions? The FBO category is a logical alternative.

 

Rules: Simple; if you consider yourself a new user of flight simulators, you are welcome to post any question regarding any sim that is important to you. If you respond with the too often seen RTFM, implications of "your an idiot", etc. etc., you are banned for life from the entire category or forum, whichever applies.

 

Goal: That members who get comfortable with the other fora and community transition fully to those forums.

 

Obviously there are limits to the types of questions and how fundamental (or not) they are. A person who finds a "home" in this forum would need to be eventually encouraged to "graduate".

 

Comments, thoughts?

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I honestly don't see the downside of this idea. Its not like they can't post anywhere else.

 

I think it'd be very helpful

 

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Tom, while I truly feel the concept has a lot of merit, the reality is that "new folks" would have to have it nearly shoved in their face in order to even notice it buried among the very HUGE list of forums here.

 

If there were a way for the list of forums be restricted to just this one new comer's forum until they had at least x number of messages, I fear that it would be difficult -if not bloody impossible- to get folks to use it...

 

As it happens, "the other flightsim website" has had such a forum for many months now, but then they don't have a Googleplex of forums to choose from either:

 

Forum: Newcomer Services

Friendly one-stop-shopping for answers and how-to's for newcomers to flight simulators

 

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If there were a way for the list of forums be restricted to just this one new comer's forum until they had at least x number of messages, I fear that it would be difficult -if not bloody impossible- to get folks to use it...

 

We can do that.

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Cool! That would be wonderful then!

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If it encourages people to sign up, participate and eventually stay.. It can't hurt..  You do indeed need thick skin sometimes to survive in the nether parts of the forum.. I've said many times the only reason I never signed up here years ago is because of the intimidating nature flight simmers are known to have..  It has calmed down a lot and I'm just now getting comfortable around here and interacting with folks but still now and then throw on the flack jacket and take cover.  :lol:

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Sounds like an excellent idea. I'm personally 3 yrs and waaaay too many hours and $ into this hobby, and have only recently ventured onto the forums..

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I think it is a great idea.  I would just be a little concerned about restricting the forums as this may discourage some people who have very specific questions that are more advanced and belong on another sub-forum but are new to Avsim.  Having said this I agree with Bill that if you don't do this the newbie forum will not be seen.

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It would be helpful in another way as well. All new members have to have their posts "approved" before they appear in the forum. With all such being made in a single forum, it would make the odds of their post being seen and "approved" faster much higher than at present...

 

...and this can only be a "Good Thing!" :Applause:

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While I do not think that new members should only be allowed in certain areas I think that pointing them towards the particular sub-forum when they join would be best, most will want to post in an area like that at first anyway

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I think that's an awesome idea!!  I really like Bill's idea, too, of restricting access to just that forum and maybe the Commercial Vendor section so they can get to PMDG and such.  Maybe make it for Newcomers to AVSIM instead of just Flight sim, as we have a couple of forums outside of that genre. Having a centralized place where folks can introduce themselves and we can get to know them and their needs a little better before we direct them to the areas best suited for them.  It would also give us a place to pin the "need to know" stuff like terms of service, proper etiquette etc.  Great Idea!!

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I think it's a bad idea to restrict new members to a small part of the forum. Not everyone who comes here are new to flightsims and they don't want to be locked out of the discussions that interests them until they've got their post counts up or otherwise have proven themselves worthy. Most likely they will just go somewhere else instead.

 

As a means to fight the rampant rudeness that apparently plagues Avsim these days I don't think a newbie section is the right way to go either. It may have it's benefits but on the whole I think it's rather unnecessary. Better to just adopt a more stringent policy against pointless RTFM and GIYF posts and such.

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As I pushed and twisted for it on the other thread, I think it's a fab idea!

 

I think you're right to make it stand alone from a specific 'platform'.     You could have a sticky at the top that asks members to write the name of the FS platform they're using, before their topic title.

 

Eg...

 

"FSX:  How do you put the water rudder down?"

 

"XP10:  How do I turn off the ATC sounds?"

 

"FS9:  How do I start the DC-3s engines?"

 

"P3D2:   How do I get cockpit shadows on?"

 

 

etc.

 

But yes I definitely think this will help to welcome new members, who may otherwise be scared off my some of the more hardcore platform-based forum sections.  

 

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Having been an experienced FS9-er for some time, all of a sudden, I became a FSX newbie.

Some day in the future I'll be an X-Plane newbie.

 

Having been an experienced Boeing 744 man for some time, all of a sudden, I became a Boeing 777 newbie.

Some day in the future I'll be a DC-6 newbie.

 

Having been an experienced Boeing man for some time, all of a sudden, I became an Airbus newbie.

Some day in the future I'll be a Concorde newbie.

 

Or a W8 newbie ... or an ATI newbie ... or an overclocking newbie ...

 

Not saying it won't work, but ...   :ph34r:

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Well sure, but being new to an !addon is not quite the same thing as being new to this community entirely.

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Yes, I support this idea. I've seen too many "power-users" being rude to newbies and that's not what we need. We all were those newbies once and even the most primitive thing for us could feel like something extremely complex for them.

 

But please, don't force newcommers to use that section. Just because somebody is new to avsim doesn't mean he/she has to be new to flight simulation. We should be open to anybody, not some kind of closed community. Even my first post on this forum was just a bunch of screenshots I wanted to share with everybody :smile:

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But please, don't force newcommers to use that section. Just because somebody is new to avsim doesn't mean he/she has to be new to flight simulation. We should be open to anybody, not some kind of closed community. Even my first post on this forum was just a bunch of screenshots I wanted to share with everybody :smile:

 

Unfortunately, that really is the only way it would work, as Bill talks about above.

 

For more experienced users, that are just new to AVSIM, they could simply post in the new forum to introduce themselves. Many forums have a similar sort of thing in place. For example:

 

"Hi my name is Brian, my first simulator was FS98, and I still have no idea what I am doing and couldn't find the coffee maker without an FMS."

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We aren't suggesting that newly subscribed members here be discriminated against, only that their first few posts be in a single forum where they can more quickly become acclimated to the vast wealth of forums available.

 

The simple fact is that there are a LOT of forums and sub-forums here at AVSIM. For any newcomer to find the "right forum" is a real challenge. In fact, I've wondered often if there have been people who registered, took a look at the L O N G list of forums, then wandered off, never to be seen again, thinking to themselves "Man, that is too confusing!" :Confused:

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n4gix, on 20 Dec 2013 - 4:24 PM, said:

We aren't suggesting that newly subscribed members here be discriminated against, only that their first few posts be in a single forum where they can more quickly become acclimated to the vast wealth of forums available.

 

The simple fact is that there are a LOT of forums and sub-forums here at AVSIM. For any newcomer to find the "right forum" is a real challenge. In fact, I've wondered often if there have been people who registered, took a look at the L O N G list of forums, then wandered off, never to be seen again, thinking to themselves "Man, that is too confusing!" :Confused:

I still disagree and believe that having to make a number of forced posts in a subforum that doesn't interest them is more efficient at scaring away new members than the seemingly infinite list of forums available to them. If anything I think that list gives the impression of a well organized site where you don't have to wade through tons of irrelevant threads to find what you're interested in. But if you really think it's such a problem maybe you should focus on streamlining a bit rather than adding more.

 

Additionally I think you're a wee bit patronizing towards the user base here. It's not a "real challenge" for anyone intelligent enough to get through the registration process to find the subforums he's interested in.

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Providing a convenient New to Flight Simulation subsection is a good idea.  Providing a quarantine area for New Subscribers on the other hand, is a bad one.  You've got people who are massively experienced with very detailed questions or observations about a very specific product, right from the first post, and just because they are recently subscribed to Avsim, doesn't mean that their content should get mixed in with beginner questions.

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Cool! That would be wonderful then!

Agreed. With that issue addressed.

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