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Giving a fair view to both weather injectors Opus/Active Sky Next

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I just came off a three hour same-loaded flight plan in both weather injectors, and my personal opinion on the matter is...

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They both have great strengths, they have different features, and how they arrive at giving you custom atmospherics.  They both DO NOT duplicate the exact same rendered atmospheric scenario. No sir. Not with an apples to apples loaded flight plan comparison of the sky being rendered and atmospheric effects enacting upon the flight path, and air frame. They give you quantitatively, different output and end results.  

 

I am not saying that one is better than the other, because that truly is not helpful to any other user.  Who am I to make that judgement to influence another's opinion, and possible purchase? That is not fair to either developer,...they are each, offering a great product. If I have so implied one over the other as perceived by any other community member, then I offer an apology today, and intend not to project that into the future. That was a disservice in hindsight, and again...a personal apology is being offered.

 

I own both, and will no longer publicly say which one I use more often...as it really doesn't matter to the community at large, what I do in this regard. I do what I do for myself, and that's that.

 

I'll let other users read reviews, as I will, and let them make up their own minds what interests them, and for THEIR reasons...not mine.  I intend to do that with scenery, as well as weather injectors, and airplanes in the future. I think we all should. You can say that you like using a product, but not make it a 'join me' in this effort. Not fair to developers, and perhaps not truly in the best interests of us all, at large. I think the use of a PM message is great for that purpose, if somebody should really want your personal opinion on the merits of one item of same ilk over the other.  That is different, and is one-on-one.

 

I just wanted to be fair now, and into the future for all the great efforts presently from developers that have product offerings on any platform, for purchase or freeware, and into the great future of our hobby.

 

The heavy Opus/ASN comparison threads (with my involvement right in there too and guilty as anybody else...!) was for myself an 'this is better than that' eye opener. Let each user decide,non-loaded by other user's personal opinion(s) and or agenda, for themselves.  This mandate might not sit well with others, but for myself, is personally viewed as again; fairness and respect to all other community members, and the development community at large.

 

Cheers!

 

Sesquashtoo

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I can only agree with you. I also have both and refrain from saying which gets more airtime...

 

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Huh!  I actually thought you were going to do a comparison, show screenshots or something.  

 

Why write a long statement to say you are not going to say anything except they are different?  I am confused, sorry.

 

Thank goodness we live in a free democratic world where one can (within reason) express their views.  I personally have REX weather.  I like it.  But I don't like the stutters that sometimes happen during weather injection. I am wondering about investing in another weather injector and I don't know if it is worth it to spend any more money.  So I value folks opinion, this one over that one because of these reasons, then I will decide on my own whether those opinions have any value to me.

 

"Not fair to developers".  Also confusing.  So if a product is very poor in quality to another, or one is of superb quality in your opinion then we should not say anything about one or the other?  I personally value comparisons and opinions of products.  This is how I learn, form opinion, make decisions and judgements.

 

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just came off a three hour same-loaded flight plan in both weather injectors

 

Mm.  Did you use historic time so both flights would have had the same weather?  Sometimes an hour can make a world of difference.

 

When I was fine tuning AS2012, I did 10 to 20 flights with the same flight plan and historical weather set to the same time.  After that I had a good idea how to set up the options to get the best weather.  An hour difference could mean that I was landing in snow or fog rather than under simple overcast skies, or that storms in the distance would stop.

 

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Huh!  I actually thought you were going to do a comparison, show screenshots or something.  

 

Why write a long statement to say you are not going to say anything except they are different?  I am confused, sorry.

 

Thank goodness we live in a free democratic world where one can (within reason) express their views.  I personally have REX weather.  I like it.  But I don't like the stutters that sometimes happen during weather injection. I am wondering about investing in another weather injector and I don't know if it is worth it to spend any more money.  So I value folks opinion, this one over that one because of these reasons, then I will decide on my own whether those opinions have any value to me.

 

"Not fair to developers".  Also confusing.  So if a product is very poor in quality to another, or one is of superb quality in your opinion then we should not say anything about one or the other?  I personally value comparisons and opinions of products.  This is how I learn, form opinion, make decisions and judgements.

 

Bryan

 

I agree.. The only reason I clicked on this is because I will eventually need an injector for P3D v2 and once REX comes out with theirs I'm going to start narrowing down my decision of where to spend my money.  

 

There is a very fair way to compare products and let the reader make their own decision without even having to enter your own.. Pleading the fifth and making no comparisons just doesn't let anyone make any decisions or conclusions at all. There is just nothing here.. 

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I don't care about developer ego's and being fair....   I only care about what makes my sim time a better experience.  have three weather programs installed.. 

 

Opus, AS2012 and ASN

 

I am using ASN with AS2012 for textures, this comes after using OPUS exclusively since it's release.    I feel ASN is a game changer.. Now I can't fly my 172 into a thunderstorm because  with ASN I will get tossed out of the sky.  

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I don't care about developer ego's and being fair....   I only care about what makes my sim time a better experience.  

Exactly since they both are payware.

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Comparisons and opinions of what's good and what's not about a product are totally fine as long as there is something real to back it up. Just being a "fan" of a company and by default then loving every product they make no matter what doesn't help.

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I can only agree with you. I also have both and refrain from saying which gets more airtime...

 

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Why? Since when is it against the "rules" to have an opinion? Just tell us which one you prefer.

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Great, I'm glad we got that out of the way.

 

So which one do you prefer?

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Comparisons and opinions of what's good and what's not about a product are totally fine as long as there is something real to back it up. Just being a "fan" of a company and by default then loving every product they make no matter what doesn't help.

 

 

I am not a fan of any company, these guys are not my friends... They provide a product and if it is good I use it.    I used AS2012 until OPUS came out..   I felt opus was a big step up in overcast conditions so I bought that and used it until ASN..   Right now I feel ASN is the best injector out there, as I have said before for the first time the weather matters.  I can't just go fly into a TS...    Maybe a year from now another company will come along and make something better...  All I know is fairness is not a criteria I use when telling people how I feel about a product. 

 

"fan" is thrown around way too much now.  Stating a product is better in your opinion or has some new features does not make you a "fan"

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So which one do you prefer?

 

Try them all and you tell us which one YOU prefer.

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For someone on a limited wanting to know which one they should buy, this thead is about as useful as asking some random person on the street "Which weather injector is best for Flight Simulator?" and then taking their confused "A Flight What-combobulator?" as "THEY ARE ALL TEH SAME"

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I am not a fan of any company, these guys are not my friends... They provide a product and if it is good I use it.    I used AS2012 until OPUS came out..   I felt opus was a big step up in overcast conditions so I bought that and used it until ASN..   Right now I feel ASN is the best injector out there, as I have said before for the first time the weather matters.  I can't just go fly into a TS...    Maybe a year from now another company will come along and make something better...  All I know is fairness is not a criteria I use when telling people how I feel about a product.

I totally agree and this is the likely path for me too. I had AS2012 until Opus. I was giving Opus some more revisions to see if they could match ASN and that doesn't look like it's happening until OpusFSI at the earliest so now it's just trying to find another $30 in the Xmas budget for ASN.

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ASN has it right now  // Competition is great, why it so fierce with weather engines in MSFS I am a little perplexed about but after several years of 'almost there' weather depiction, as we enter 2014 we are finally here!

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After just completing LGAV - EDFH - LGAV with  PMDG 737NGX and some bad weather around I definitely like the ASN best. 

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For someone on a limited wanting to know which one they should buy, this thead is about as useful as asking some random person on the street "Which weather injector is best for Flight Simulator?" and then taking their confused "A Flight What-combobulator?" as "THEY ARE ALL TEH SAME"

After many threads about the topic at hand it is pretty obvious that almost everyone in this thread has missed the point of the OP's first post.

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After many threads about the topic at hand it is pretty obvious that almost everyone in this thread has missed the point of the OP's first post.

LOL that IS exactly the point Jim.  Why say anything.  I certainly didn't miss the point.  There is no point.  Unless saying "I tried these two types of software and just so you know, they are different" is supposed to inform us, and as poster #4 says that perhaps he needed to use historic time to ensure the same conditions.  Sorry if I'm sounding harsh but I was not following threads on comparisons until this one which has a title that indicates a potential comparison of interest to me and ended up saying nothing except a long winded story of why nothing was going to said.

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I certainly didn't miss the point.  There is no point.

 

Sorry, but you did miss the point because in paragraphs 1-3 there are points made.

 

You also needed to have followed about the 3 other gushing threads by the same poster on this very topic.

 

Then if you followed everything that was posted before this, then it would be clearer.

 

No, this thread cannot be made sense of without knowing what has come before it.

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Try them all and you tell us which one YOU prefer.

Because I already have ASN (got the AS2012 user pricing), and I don't need two weather engines.

 

If people have both, I'd love to hear their honest opinions. So far, all I've seen are 1) people who only have one or the other program and yet claim that their product is superior, 2) people who have both products, compare them, and declare a clear winner, but do it without screenshots, and 3) people who have both products and compare them but decline to state their opinion.

 

Yes, we know it's subjective, but so are most third party add-on reviews.

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No, this thread cannot be made sense of without knowing what has come before it.

 

There you go then.

 

Because I already have ASN (got the AS2012 user pricing), and I don't need two weather engines.

 

If people have both, I'd love to hear their honest opinions. So far, all I've seen are 1) people who only have one or the other program and yet claim that their product is superior, 2) people who have both products, compare them, and declare a clear winner, but do it without screenshots, and 3) people who have both products and compare them but decline to state their opinion.

 

Yes, we know it's subjective, but so are most third party add-on reviews.

 

Me to.  I have REX.  Give me your best shot.  I don't like the way REX stutters when injecting weather.  Hoping to hear about the other leading weather injectors to determine if I should PayPal my way into another weather program.

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There you go then.

 

All the other gushing threads are there for anyone to read. They are not going anywhere. You are trying to figure out the end of the story without reading the beginning and middle.


 

 


Because I already have ASN (got the AS2012 user pricing), and I don't need two weather engines.

 

Then why do you care about this thread anyway?

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No, this thread cannot be made sense of without knowing what has come before it.

 

And that, so clearly defined, is the most prevalent issue here on a public forum like this.  Few of us have the time or patience to follow in their entirety a host of topics, many by the same OP, just to keep context for the latest topic or posts.  This is one of my hobbies, not my life.  

 

In so many cases the horse is already long-since dead!

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I currently still have Opus. I tried ASN for the 7 day trial. Based on my experience during that 7 days of ASN plus the latest updates from Opus, ASN is the better weather engine. Why? Because ASN, for the first time ever in FS, gives me a "smooth" experience from departure to arrival. I experienced no sudden violent wind shifts(something no one solved before ASN). I experienced no cloud popping(something no one solved before ASN). These are the two big winners for me and what will ultimately make me jump to ASN here soon.

 

Sorry, no pics as my trial is done. But, they both depicted or told FSX to draw the weather beautifully.

 

Also sorry if that's not detailed or good enough of a review but again, IMO and for what I'm looking for in a weather engine, ASN is the best right now - period.

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I currently still have Opus. I tried ASN for the 7 day trial. Based on my experience during that 7 days of ASN plus the latest updates from Opus, ASN is the better weather engine. Why? Because ASN, for the first time ever in FS, gives me a "smooth" experience from departure to arrival. I experienced no sudden violent wind shifts(something no one solved before ASN). I experienced no cloud popping(something no one solved before ASN). These are the two big winners for me and what will ultimately make me jump to ASN here soon.

 

Sorry, no pics as my trial is done. But, they both depicted or told FSX to draw the weather beautifully.

 

Also sorry if that's not detailed or good enough of a review but again, IMO and for what I'm looking for in a weather engine, ASN is the best right now - period.

 

Now that's what I'm talking about.  Thank you Kevin.

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