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P3Dv2 + ORBX FTX Global Vector, first impressions?

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Anyone tried out FTX Global Vector in P3Dv2 yet?

 

I'm really conerned about performance in combination with FTX Global and high resolution mesh.

 

Are roads customizable? From the promo video I see that certain downtown areas look terrible because roads have killed the autogen. 

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From the promo video I see that certain downtown areas look terrible because roads have killed the autogen.

 

My biggest fear too. Plus the impact it has on VAS in P3D 2.0.  Would be great if someone could post some pictures from Norway, specially around small villages. And tell us how much Vector uses of the VAS! The new beta NSX III freeware for Norway also had roads based on similar data as Vector and even small villages looked totally odd due to way too many roads running through them, pushing all the houses out of the city. Similar to the OpenVFR addons I've seen. And from what I've read you can not customize anything. They decided to keep it simple. Which is okay if things are perfect but it's getting problematic if things are not perfect.

 

I am a little bit sceptic about Vector anyway... there are of course a few posts already on the Orbx forum reporting errors like sunken rives and lakes, weird bridges (even in well known locations), missing islands, etc. This addon covers the ENTIRE globe so it may take AGES to resolve and fix ALL errors. I suppose they tried to test things as much as possible but if the Golden Gate Bridge already has errors, you begin to wonder what else may be wrong...

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I do expect quite a few errors in the product. ORBX has been honest about FTX Global sceneries being a work in progress. The product is hard to make better than the source data and simulator they are used in.

 

That said, this products begs for custom configuration options.

 

I'm on the fence for now, but since the stock FSX and P3D vector data is extremely innacurate, I am very tempted to go for it, if performance is acceptable.

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I am a little bit sceptic about Vector anyway... there are of course a few posts already on the Orbx forum reporting errors like sunken rives and lakes, weird bridges (even in well known locations), missing islands, etc. This addon covers the ENTIRE globe so it may take AGES to resolve and fix ALL errors. I suppose they tried to test things as much as possible but if the Golden Gate Bridge already has errors, you begin to wonder what else may be wrong...

 

They take pretty all the data from OpenStreetMap.

http://www.openstreetmap.org

 

Openstreetmap is only "pretty good" in a couple of area`s, generally Europe is pretty good, with UK, Holland, Germany, Switzerland being really good.

(fixing all errors is/equals getting all data correct in OSM, which you can actually do yourself)

 

Which is also a reason i really have little respect for their pricing point.

 

1st they take freely donated data and sell it for top dollar (45 Euro), just for recompiling the data.

(This package should be free just because of this)

 

2nd lots of area`s in the world dont have any data in OSM which doesnt make it logical to ask any money for it. (there is nothing to convert)

 

3rd they dont mention/attempt making their recompiler running every month or so, which would generate a motivation for simmers to update/improve the OSM data, certainly for rural/natural area`s that usually get done last because nobody lives there. (in other words being able to indirectly improve the sim-looks by taking matters in your own hands, as a user.)

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whats going on guys,

       I got vector last night and I'm really loving it. I got to try different areas but flying around Montana in the twin otter ext. im getting double the frames then I was getting. I was getting ussuly around 30 to 40 frames now with vector installed im getting like 80 to 100 frames with slides 1 notch over half way

      

       So far I I don't have 1 complant about vector, so far its great, I hope you guys have the same results as I do.

 

         Orbx, great job guys

 

Larry

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guess they take pretty all the data from OpenStreetMap.

 

They'd be fools if they did - hydrology in OSM has been a serious weak point in North America. While Europe is very well covered in OSM across the board, North America has been a pretty weak... HUGE lakes missing, jagged coastlines, etc. etc. .. this is one of the reasons why X-Plane 10 sat on my shelf for years - subpar OSM-based scenery in the United States and Canada.  It's gotten better over the years, but OSM is the "wiki" of maps, entirely dependent on user submissions to grow and expand.

 

I'll be watching the Vector conversations closely to see how things work out.

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They use more then OSM data.

 

And no, it shouldn't be free because they do use it. XP10 uses OSM data too. Should it be free?

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Go and look in the Orbx forum. Lots of p3d specific problems. Not ready yet and cities look awful !

 

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Would be great if someone could post some pictures from Norway, specially around small villages.

 

If you have a specific city, I'll be happy to do a flight around there.

 

Rob

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If you have a specific city, I'll be happy to do a flight around there.

 

Rob

 

ENBM (Bomoen) would be nice! When you take off towards the lake you will fly over the city (well, depending on the landclass used of course). With the latest new freeware LC that city looked awful due to way too many roads and so I would like to see a picture from that one with Vector! TIA!

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J van E

Here are some shots around ENBM with Global base and Vector.

Just basic 'V' shots.

Have fun, be happy... :P

 

BR

 

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J van E

Here are some shots around ENBM with Global base and Vector.

Just basic 'V' shots.

Have fun, be happy... :P

 

Wow, that's a lot of screenshots! Thanks! Much appreciated!

 

It doesn't look as bad as the freeware I've seen but still... a bit too much roads. Or maybe I should say that a lot of them are way too large/wide. Like in the 4th screenshots: you see three roads side by side. At least one of them (probably even two) probably is a very small sideroad (or whatever you call that) which you should hardly see out of the air. The encasements are another problem because they make every road look huge. Every road looks like a high way. If you could remove those encasements, that would make things look a lot better already. Only highways should have them.

 

Anyway, this gives me a good idea of how things look. And since UTX for P3D 2.0 has been announced, I will probably first wait for more information about that one before I reconsider getting Vector.

 

How is your VAS btw after adding Vector?

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uninstalled Vector - mine was a bad experience - install now sits in a folder -  waiting to see what happens.

Maybe there will be updates - who knows.

Just did not look right

 

Denis B

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BTW JV posted on the Orbx forum that there will not be some sort of interface to tweak the settings of Vector. It's all or nothing and this will not be changed.

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My first impression when I looked at the screen shots was it looks nice and would be even better if the lights could be dimmed a little. Then I went to Google Satellite to compare and I saw what J van E was talking about. This is a rural area with narrow country roads. If the width of the roads could be reduced it would look a lot more realistic. The roads are wider than the runway.  But then......is that the river running across the runway or are my old eyes messing with me?

 

J van E, you live in a really nice area. No wonder you don't fly anywhere else. :lol:

 

Ted

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This is a rural area with narrow country roads. If the width of the roads could be reduced it would look a lot more realistic. The roads are wider than the runway.

 

Exactly my point!

 

 

 


J van E, you live in a really nice area. No wonder you don't fly anywhere else. :lol:

 

Man, I WISH! I live in the utterly flat and boring Netherlands. :rolleyes: However, between 1971 and 1984 I visited the country every year and I once went back there in 1996 with my own family. Circumstances prevent me to go back once more for now but anyway, that's the reason I like flying there: sweet memories of one of the most beautiful countries on earth! ^_^

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They take pretty all the data from OpenStreetMap.

http://www.openstreetmap.org

 

Openstreetmap is only "pretty good" in a couple of area`s, generally Europe is pretty good, with UK, Holland, Germany, Switzerland being really good.

(fixing all errors is/equals getting all data correct in OSM, which you can actually do yourself)

 

Which is also a reason i really have little respect for their pricing point.

 

1st they take freely donated data and sell it for top dollar (45 Euro), just for recompiling the data.

(This package should be free just because of this)

 

2nd lots of area`s in the world dont have any data in OSM which doesnt make it logical to ask any money for it. (there is nothing to convert)

 

3rd they dont mention/attempt making their recompiler running every month or so, which would generate a motivation for simmers to update/improve the OSM data, certainly for rural/natural area`s that usually get done last because nobody lives there. (in other words being able to indirectly improve the sim-looks by taking matters in your own hands, as a user.)

 

May I suggest you not to buy it? I have some reservations on the whole vector + mesh thing as a whole, so I am not buying them. I think that's fair.

 

Your 3rd point (recompile monthly) sounds reasonable, but I suspect that there is MUCH more than just running a compiler in the process of getting OSM data and transforming them into vector data. I believe that THAT is what is worth the money, not just running an automated tool.

 

As a final remark: what's really holding me back at the moment is the fact that I see double bridges, missing features (golf courses for instance), ice patches over lakes, and in general funny things even in popular areas: bugs that should not belong in a commercial product, to the point that one wonders how they got through beta testing in the first place. Otherways, we are back to the automated compiler, and in THAT case I would agree not to buy the product(s)

 

Unless, of course, they assure me that mesh + vector has none of those problems: at that point I will reconsider.

 

Greetings

 

Andrea

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Unless, of course, they assure me that mesh + vector has none of those problems: at that point I will reconsider.

 

It's not only the mesh and vector that's a problem. The amount and look of the roads also is. The roads are too big, they've added to many of them, and they even added encasements to them. Little villages look like part of New York this way. Now if you could disable some parts, I might consider getting Vector for the waters, but as it is now I will stick with FTX regions and use UTX when it has been released for P3D 2.0.

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Good news for UTX fans, but I'm not keen on mixing addons from different developers. I'm 100% ORBX + freeware for scenery. I'm done mixing things. Hopefully there will be a configuration tool sometime in the future, but if not, I'll pass on Vector.

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Hi,

 

I have a different mindset. I have no problem mixing and matching products as long as the end result meets with my expectations.

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"Hopefully there will be a configuration tool sometime in the future, but if not, I'll pass on Vector."

 

I agree.  I posted elsewhere on the forums how Vector completely misses accuracy (not even close) on some large Lakes in Colorado.  I disabled ORBX!VECTOR in the scenery library for P3D V2 and all of the scenery for the lakes returned normally.

 

Hopefully some fixes will come down the road.  Pretty disappointed after spending $50.00 on Vector.

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How is your VAS btw after adding Vector?

 

It doesn't seem to have changed much.

The shots above were taken with most things maxed or on high settings. Sysinternals Process Explorer measured the VAS as 2.9Gb. The FPS was around 25-30.

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Looking at the screenshots, vector roads are way to obtrusive and bear little relationship to the real world. What I don't get is why the roads in the Iceland demo looked ok? I'm not anywhere near my PC and won't be for a while, so can't check.

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1st they take freely donated data and sell it for top dollar (45 Euro), just for recompiling the data.

(This package should be free just because of this)

LOL what colour is the sky on the planet you're living on exactly? If it is so easy to "just recompile the data" why haven't you done it yourself?

 

:P

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