Why the Malysians don't just release the actual transcript is a mystery. After all it's not secret information.

 

Agree. especially now that one version is out, delaying the release of the official transcript merely leaves room for speculations, suspicion, and confusion. Unless there is something on the offical transcript that the Malaysians do not want made public, why not let it be made available.

 

I sure hope the offical transcript is alreday in "good" hands; i.e. with FAA investigators or Boeing. There should be no room for anyone to doctor that data, or for it to go "missing".

http://www.smh.com.au/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-investigators-find-nothing-suspicious-in-pilots-flight-simulator-20140322-35a7d.html

 

Malaysia Airlines flight: investigators find nothing suspicious in pilot's flight simulator

Has just been announced, Chinese satellites find more possible debris in the search area in the indian Ocean.

 

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Has just been announced, Chinese satellites find more possible debris in the search area in the indian Ocean.

 

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Is this the same as I just posted or is this something newer?

Is this the same as I just posted or is this something newer?

Apologies, it is the same, I missed your post.

 

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Apologies, it is the same, I missed your post.

 

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No problem, just wanted to make sure I didn't miss something!!

Sure hope they aren't tracking a shipping container. At this point theorizing is pointless. People keep asking my "theory" and the only thing I can muster is that at this point I have no idea and almost anything is on the table... Trying to assert one theory over another is pointless at this point, no one knows. I doubt some theories more than others for varying reason but the truth is I have no idea...

On talk radio yesterday, a T7 captain with over 4K hours in the left seat called in (his claim, not presented here as verified) and brought up what he thinks happened - It's credible.  I'll summarize - sorry, haven't seen it posted here yet, so apologies if I'm repeating another post.  Here is a paraphrase of his conversation -

 

• Member of the flight crew (captain or first officer) attempts something - change of course, hijacking, suicide, something that at this point is pure conjecture
• The other crew member objects or struggles, or maybe there's a preemptive strike on the unsuspecting member
• The preemptive strike or the struggle ensues with the "very sharp fire axe" in the cockpit - the injured member gets another weapon or takes the fire axe in defense and strikes back
• During the struggle, one of the yokes is pushed forward past the AP disconnect point - two in the cockpit are unaware due to struggle
• AP disconnects, and the plane begins it's uncontrolled ascent
• At a point after this, one is either dead or both are mortally injured.  One loses conciousness or dies and the other one changes the flight path again and places the aircraft into ALT HOLD at the lower altitude
• At this point the remaining survivor loses conciousness or bleeds out and the aircraft continues it's flight path at the alt hold altitude over the ocean - no further commands to alter course again
• Either the cabin crew is unaware or unable to breach the cockpit door during all of this - probably unaware until so far away from land that cell phones would have no signal
• Once the engines begin to flame out, the AP is still going to try to maintain altitude until stall, after which a flat spin into the water would ensue.
• In this method of impact with the water, the aircraft would be going relatively slow and the impact may have been a "pancake" versus "augering in", leaving the fuselage intact and possibly the wings attached as well - nacelles and parts of the empennage may have broken free, but there's not enough air in these areas for them to float.  If an empty wing would have broken off, it would have had air in parts of the fuel tanks and may have floated for a while
• With no fuel, no oil slick
• If the fuse is intact, no debris to float

 

My opinion -

 

If anyone survived the impact, the seas may have been too intimidating to open a door until it was too late - hence, if the fuse was intact and no opened doors, no bodies, no seat cushions, etc (sorry, not trying to be a cold, heartless bas+ard...)

 

My second opinion -

 

If any of this happened, it's possible that the aircraft might not even be in the ocean.  Parts of the world that aircraft could have flown over if there was another waypoint put in could have altered its course over remote areas that there are few people living in.  In the crash, the flight data recorders could have been damaged or destroyed beyond communications ability.

 

And there's another theory now to ponder here...  However, I <think> this caller said he'd been talking to our NTSB about this theory.  Getting older, memory fading... 

The above is assuming it was a hijacking. If it wasn't and likely as not then his theory is completly wrong.

When there is an unexplained aircraft accident people assume it's a hijacking and never think of more plausible alternatives. The media also prefer hijacking because that gets more readers/viewers etc.

While this is true, due to the lack of information, nothing can be ruled out with any definitive probability.  The way things are looking at this point, I'll agree with just about any scenario except "abducted by aliens".. :blink:

Government intervention by Russia can also be safely ruled out. As surprisingly I have seen such theories on some threads.

 

http://www.smh.com.au/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-investigators-find-nothing-suspicious-in-pilots-flight-simulator-20140322-35a7d.html

 

Malaysia Airlines flight: investigators find nothing suspicious in pilot's flight simulator

 

This fact was already expected, maybe now they change their strategy, after all we've seen so far the major concern of people who unfortunately are responsible for the investigations have been directed to find culprits.

 

João Alfredo

What riles me whenever there's an accident, is that people (especially the media) too readily jump to conclusions. "It must have been a bomb / Hijack / sabotage etc" The accident investigators end up spending most of their time having to disprove these amateur theories.

Remember AF447? When the first information came out there was an outcry about the pitot tubes and how they had caused the accident. Well, as we know they didn't 'cause' the accident. The pilots did.

 

In this case it seems that the pilots are guilty until proven innocent. (sadly that's often the case with a/c accidents). Nowadays we have modern automated systems with pilots monitoring. Whilst manufacturers do as much as they can to try to ensure systems do not fail they do fail and it's up to the pilots to try to recover the situation. One could argue that there's too much automation because the pilots frequently have no clue as to what's gone wrong. Strange computer error messages. Just think of BSOD error messages and how often the error message is telling you the real truth of what's really the problem.

 

Many airlines and AF 'was' guilty of this too do not properly train their aircrew in the event of systems failures. In other words training them to 'fly'!!!!

I'm pretty sure in tha case of MF370 that they tried to get back but were faced with a deteriorating situation that led to them becoming lost. The absolute last thing you need on a night flight is a systems failure.

For the record, guys.....I didn't even realise that the poster I responded to was from Belarus. I just clicked on the thread to see the latest posts, and responded with what I thought was an insignificant comment. However, I appreciate that it could have been taken as "inflammatory" (which was certainly not my intent), so please accept my apologies.

The above is assuming it was a hijacking. If it wasn't and likely as not then his theory is completly wrong.

When there is an unexplained aircraft accident people assume it's a hijacking and never think of more plausible alternatives. The media also prefer hijacking because that gets more readers/viewers etc.

Hopefully these debris sightings will pan out, at least we'll know for sure the plane is down and the vicinity it is.  If they do I won't even try to speculate how it got there, because none of the theories makes any sense to me. It it was a cascading fire or malfunction that spread to every redundant system on the plane, where they couldn't even call a mayday in, then I think Boeing's going to have to ground every 777 in the air until they find out how that could have happened and correct it. If though this turns out to be another red herring, I have to go back to my original theory of hijacking to Yemen. It fit's the the known time line. Try planning or loading the following route into the LRX. Which includes the suspected waypoints based on the Malaysian radar tracks until contact was lost. WMKK-IGARI-VAMPI-GIVAL-IGREX-MLE-OYSQ Note, there could be a couple of additional waypoints used to remain in Malaysian airspace, as Thailand claims it never penerated it's space. Also between IGREX and MLE to avoid Shri Lanka airspace. Plan wheels up at 00:42 Malaysian time, and check time of arrival. I get 00:14Z or 8:14 Malaysian time. I flew this route and descended to 5000ft over Malaysia as was claimed by their Military radar, then climbed back to cruise whae out of range. and still landed OYSQ at 8:25. with power down shortly after. Right in line with the last ping at 8:11 (Pings on the :11 of the hour). Now the question of did it have enough fuel all we know was the statement that it had a normal fuel load for the flight. (Still not sure I trust that!) We all assume that means trip fuel +reserves (usually about :45 minutes) which if flown at cruise all the way would be enough, but I admit very close. If a descent to 5000 over Malaysia as radar indicated would make it unlikely to have made.it. (Possible hijackers didn't realize that in which case the plane would be down but somewhere between the Maldives and Yemen. I don't think though anyone considered extra fuel to Alternates on board. When I plotted the flight plan using EFASS to ZBAA to get the fuel load it used ZBTJ and ZBSJ as alternates. The release fuel it plotted (Using it's PMDG 777LR profile) with a passenger load of 239, I kept cargo at default, as that's unknown, it calculated a release fuel level of 63561kg.  With that used on the flight I plotted above gave me at takeoff 18000+kg reserve after the 5000ft descent detour, 14000kg, and at arrival 12000kg. I don't have PFPX, but I would be interested what it's calculations would be between WMKK and ZBAA with Alternates, considered. As to possible motives, I don't believe the hijacking would be to hold the passengers, so I'm afraid they were probably killed. I do think it's intended for a future attack. As to why? The same motive as 9/11, in which case  it could be in the US or Europe. There are 2 current events going on now, that makes me think it's New York again. One Osama Bin Laden's Son in Law is currently on trial in New York for his role in 9/11.Also which I think may be more pertinent is the official opening of the new Freedom Tower WTC One is slated to occur in the next couple of months. They've tried to bring down the originals in 93, was successful in 01. I don't think we can discount that they won't try to take the new one down  if they got the opportunity.  777 under their control, maybe loaded with explosives, coming  in from the Ocean where's there's no radar, can give them that opportunity.  It' no secret there's been suspected attempt to test aircraft security in the past. My sister was on a flight a few years ago, and 3 men on that flight sitting in different parts of the plane was causing problems for the FA's. One wouldn't turn off his cell phone, One was smoking in the lavatory and the other kept trying to get close to the cockpit. My sister was scared, to make it worse she was flying down because my Mom was in the Hospital in FL, and subsequently passed away, which only added to upset her more. On landing they were escorted off the plane by authorities. As to why there has been no chatter. I think by now terrorists are aware of our surveillance capabilities, so no electronic communication was made only face to face contact. Not too difficult if it was arranged in Malaysia.