Correct but that was after the accident and obvious, but before the accident KLM was just flying through that particular airspace

and official confirmed here in the Netherlands on Dutch television ;-)

 

Actually many different airlines where flying that particular common route that day and according to ICAO and IATA the airspace was safe :(

 

Unfortunately just announced on Dutch television that the Dutch casualties are 189  of  283 and still 4 not confirmed which nationality those passengers had...

The commander of the battery was defending his battery against a possible hostile target which was flying towards his battery,

Yea tell me  at fl 32000 feet was he  the aircraft was at threat  to the battery  team

That USS Vincennes commander was no saint; due to his well-known personality a major incident was "bound to happen", but these two shoot downs don't really show many similarities.

 

Let's get back on topic ...

Yea tell me  at fl 32000 feet was he  the aircraft was at threat  to the battery  team

 

 As much as climbing aircraft squawking mode C flying in airway corridor, in his own country. As I said, no excuse for any of these two events.

 

 

There is no excuse for shot down of any civilian aircraft

 

Agreed.

 

 

 

Let's get back on topic

 

Yes, let's not drag a different incident into this. 

 

 

Nothing to refresh here really  the captain of  the ship was defending  his ship against  a possible hostile target which was flying towards his ship,  and  his sop was  followed

 

@ Everyone, I wont go on about the Iran Air shoot down after this post

 

@ Pete, you most certainly do need to refresh your knowledge. From your comments it sounds like you never researched that tragedy at all.  They broke almost every rule regarding engagement. The aircraft was climbing in Iranian airspace, the ship was illegally in Iranian waters, they even illegally strayed into Omani territory that same day!  

This is truly devastating!! http://metro.co.uk/2014/07/18/family-devastated-by-mh370-disappearance-have-lost-more-relatives-in-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-tragedy-4802545/?ITO=facebook

@ Everyone, I wont go on about the Iran Air shoot down after this post

 

@ Pete, you most certainly do need to refresh your knowledge. From your comments it sounds like you never researched that tragedy at all.  They broke almost every rule regarding engagement. The aircraft was climbing in Iranian airspace, the ship was illegally in Iranian waters, they even illegally strayed into Omani territory that same day!

 

Sorry stand corrected  was going by  the documentary that I saw on tv long time ago on aircraft disasters  etc, now I know thx  for putting me right in the right  direction and to the rest of  the posters :(

This is truly devastating!! http://metro.co.uk/2014/07/18/family-devastated-by-mh370-disappearance-have-lost-more-relatives-in-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-tragedy-4802545/?ITO=facebook

 

Man that is really to sad for words...

Yea tell me  at fl 32000 feet was he  the aircraft was at threat  to the battery  team

 

Well a modern military aircraft of comparable size that can carry weapons would be aircraft like the Tu-160, the B-1B, the B-52, or the B-2. Size is irrelevant though. At 32 000ft with modern target designation pod, as well as SEAD equipment which would help detect the radar, any armed military bird would sure as hell be a threat to the SAM battery. At that height you can loft a LGB or a JDAM quite a distance. Nevermind squashing the radar with a AGM-88 or other anti radiation missile.

 

This in no way justifies the shooting down of a civilian aircraft though. Just rectifying this misconception.

Exatly and A-10's are also designed to destroy targets from the FL300 region

What is the deal with traffic over Ukraine at the moment? I just got forwarded an email from a Captain stating that Etihad flew over Ukraine,  OMAA - KJFK this morning?  I guess diverting around Ukraine airspace is still up to the operator?

So Russians UN response is "ukraine air despatched should have not sent MH17 thru that airspace" - this is probably the stupidest response I've ever heard? So Ukraine Air Despatch are aware of seperatist miltary movements? So these seperatists announce there military positions on a minute by minute basis? Yeah ok?! Just not an intelligent response. Are Seperatist really that important to Putin to risk everything? The intelligent response would be to send and army loyal to Putin out to eliminate/capture these separatists rather than supporting them and risking an escallated global retaliation.

Sounds logical. its not like they going for round two right now

As to be expected, each side involved is trying to discredit the other. The more the hours tick by without the crash site unsecured, the less evidence that will be available to the investigative team.

 

Because of this incident, an already tense and volatile conflict will grow worse, fueled by the ideological saber rattling from both sides.