That's the sad part. No one in Ukraine, Eurocontrol, and in surrounding, traffic feeding, countries recognized danger. Airlines neither.

 

If military jets keep crashing every day, that's a really big sign there's no room for civilian aircraft.

 

Because until this day, no one believed that they would shoot down a civilian plane going from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur... but they just did. However, big lesson learned the hard way..

 

http://www.icao.int/Newsroom/NewsDoc2014/COM%20Statement_MH17_2014-07-17.pdf

I am off to work but I just wanted to say thanks to Tom Allensworth once again for moderating things. It is good to be able to bounce issues off each other on such events as this, helps to make sense of things.

 

Cheers guys.

Some Russian site is posting photos of the victims bodies tangled in the wreckage that's very distasteful.

Some Russian site is posting photos of the victims bodies tangled in the wreckage that's very distasteful.

Twitter is littered with them. One photo was taken from TV. There was a channel that showed it.

Twitter is littered with them. One photo was taken from TV. There was a channel that showed it.

 

It really is awful, I am being really careful what links I click on now.  Everyone be warned, some really horrendous pictures are starting to be uploaded. 

It looks like it is not a rumor anymore...

 

Sad sad story for the worldwide aviation, my condolences for the families of the now deceased on MH017.

This whole story is unbelievable...

My condolences for the victims and their families.

And I hope to see the responsibles paying for this crime. 

It looks like it is not a rumor anymore...

 

Sad sad story for the worldwide aviation, my condolences for the families of the now deceased on MH017.

 

Gentlemen it's a said day for the whole world, but for us Dutch is really hard to have lost 154 countrymen / women / children the pictures and footage are horrifying...

My deepest condolences to all that lost their lives in this act of terrorism which is actual proven now with movies and phone calls and even acknowledge by the foreign minister of the USA...

 

Crazy world we live in prefer the one without violence, because with we have only losers.

 

Said but I really think they lost their common sense to shoot down a commercial airliner...

 

280 people up for a holiday to visit their destination and 15 crew lost there lives, I apology but with great respect I'm said about this kind of useless violence against those fine folks just plane madness...

 

Hope you fine folks join me here as virtual pilots with the same passion form all over the world to say no to useless violence.......

 

With kind regards a real said virtual pilot :(

Gentlemen it's a said day for the whole world, but for us Dutch is really hard to have lost 154 countrymen / women / children the pictures and footage are horrifying...

My deepest condolences to all that lost their lives in this act of terrorism which is actual proven now with movies and phone calls and even acknowledge by the foreign minister of the USA...

 

Crazy world we live in prefer the one without violence, because with we have only losers.

 

Said but I really think they lost their common sense to shoot down a commercial airliner...

 

280 people up for a holiday to visit their destination and 15 crew lost there lives, I apology but with great respect I'm said about this kind of useless violence against those fine folks just plane madness...

 

Hope you fine folks join me here as virtual pilots with the same passion form all over the world to say no to useless violence.......

 

With kind regards a real said virtual pilot :(

I'm with you!

It really is awful, I am being really careful what links I click on now.  Everyone be warned, some really horrendous pictures are starting to be uploaded. 

Dear God, I clicked through a warning message and now so wish I hadn't. Horribly mangled bodies, including one of a small child...

 

...it's going to take a long while to get those images out of my mind.

Though no evidence of any fault with the plane has been developed, it's been a tough couple of years for the Triple 7. RIP to the passengers and crew.

Thoughts are with the families of the passengers and crew. God bless.

I hear you Bill. Wish I had not clicked on them either...so bummed all day...heart goes out to all the loved ones left to deal with the monumental loss...

A truly sad day. Cannot begin to comprehend the sorrow felt by hundreds of families today.

Dear God, I clicked through a warning message and now so wish I hadn't. Horribly mangled bodies, including one of a small child...

 

...it's going to take a long while to get those images out of my mind.

 

It doesnt leave you, Bill. I attended a crash site 30 years ago and the images have not left me.

 

My only consolation is that they are no longer in pain, and their souls at rest.

It doesnt leave you, Bill. I attended a crash site 30 years ago and the images have not left me.

After I left the Army, I spent several years working as a Paramedic in Raleigh, NC. During those three years I saw a lot of horrible things. My final callout was to the scene of a hit-and-run where a nine year old boy riding his bike was killed. He was hit at such a high speed that his little body literally exploded and was strewn along the road for thirty feet.

 

After delivering the remains to the county morgue, I told my driver to take me home, and I'd come get my car later. I still have nightmares about it forty-two years later.