lol its the same answer from me....A2A Civil P-51 w Accusim.  It has bizjet peformance at high or low alts, with the added benefit of being able to do aerobatics along the way.  That and a Packard V-12 sounds better than the little hairdryer jet engines on bizjets these days lol IMHO.   I figure its all the same fantasy, you are just as likely to have money for a P-51 as you would for a Citation Mustang, they cost about the same.

 

Cheers

TJ

And I'm pretty sure the P51 smokes the C510 hehe

Flight 1 Cessna Mustang, the best Business Jet for FS by far.   Still has beautiful texturing that comptes with modern releases.  One of the most functional G1000 simulations, and full systems coverage.

 

The Eaglesoft Citation X has fantastic systems and flight dynamics but the texturing gives away the fact that it is a 2009 addon.

 

Lionheart Lear 24 - forget it (IMHO).... default FSX autopilot and main systems, with a few bolt-ons. Ridiculously overpowered FDE and just not in the same league as the above two.

Ever flown a Lear 24 in real life? They climb like a bat out of hell so the FDE is true to life. The Lionheart Lear is more than just a default plane no its not the PMDG 777 in business jet form. You have to remember this plane was designed in the 1960's so systems wise the 24 pretty simple in real life. The Lear 24 from Lionheart looks way better than both of those planes graphically. I can honestly tell you I'm no fan of the G1000 to me the lack of dozens of gauges makes the cockpit a very very boring place.

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The MV King Air 350i is available as a pre-order/alpha. The glass is nearly done but the systems aren't.

 They climb like a bat out of hell so the FDE is true to life.

 

 

You'd need to give me something a lot more scientific than this statement to convince me that the Lionheart Lear's FDE is anywhere near true to life.    

 

Remember that FDE within FSX is as a result of numbers, code, mathematics.  There is no way to just plug the real world numbers in and have a pixelated plane on a computer screen, flying "true to life".    The FDE within the Lionheart Lear flies just like any other plane that hasn't had the FDE produced by a true expert in the field (like Rob Young, or Alexander Metzger).    Bill Ortis does everything on Lionheart planes, which is quite an achievement and undertaking.   But, he is not an FDE expert and most Lionheart aircraft betray this fact in my view.

 

You will not find a real world Lear 24, ever, in history, that takes off with 60% N1.   Yet that is the setting that most emulates a realistic take off and initial climb with the Lionheart Lear 24.

 

If you like the plane, great, that's all that matters.   :smile:   and if you prefer the VC of the Lear 24 to that in the F1 Mustang then again, that's cool.    That's just personal preference.      But with regards to the Lear's FDE, it just isn't right.   There are plenty others who will tell you that too.   

I can highly recommend the milviz king air yeah it's in alpha at the moment but oh boy if this is alpha then the rtm is clearly going to be phenomenal!!!,

But like others I do love a biz jet! And am really curious about the lionhearted Learjet as I do love gauges instead of completely glass so isit worthwhile??

You'd need to give me something a lot more scientific than this statement to convince me that the Lionheart Lear's FDE is anywhere near true to life.

 

Remember that FDE within FSX is as a result of numbers, code, mathematics. There is no way to just plug the real world numbers in and have a pixelated plane on a computer screen, flying "true to life". The FDE within the Lionheart Lear flies just like any other plane that hasn't had the FDE produced by a true expert in the field (like Rob Young, or Alexander Metzger). Bill Ortis does everything on Lionheart planes, which is quite an achievement and undertaking. But, he is not an FDE expert and most Lionheart aircraft betray this fact in my view.

 

You will not find a real world Lear 24, ever, in history, that takes off with 60% N1. Yet that is the setting that most emulates a realistic take off and initial climb with the Lionheart Lear 24.

 

If you like the plane, great, that's all that matters. :smile: and if you prefer the VC of the Lear 24 to that in the F1 Mustang then again, that's cool. That's just personal preference. But with regards to the Lear's FDE, it just isn't right. There are plenty others who will tell you that too.

This is a post by a guy who used to fly Lears,not saying the FDE is perfect but its not so far off as to disregard the whole plane because of takeoff power settings you can always derate the engines in the cfg.

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I take it you have logged time in these jets. My experience is a little different than you describe here. They certainly were powerful powerplants and required you to think well ahead of the plane. I don't remember using more than 80% other than in the upper Flight Levels, certainly not for takeoffs in Florida at Sea Level.

 

This is only a simulator with an aircraft.cfg file that you can adjust and tweak until the gauges look correct to you. Whatever you do will not ever affect what happens in the real world.

 

Regards,

 

Ray

Personally, I love the Lionheart Lear.  Might be a bit overpowered for sure, but in no way does that detract from the joy of flying this plane.  It's great for covering a lot of distance very quickly, and provides a good view out the window for looking around while you fly.  It's really quite pleasant to fly, especially when combined with a GTN 750. ^_^  I know that might be sacrilege to the idea of flying with the original cockpit, but the two really fit together nicely.

Surprised no one has mentioned the Carenado Phenom 100. For a 1200nm bird with stellar graphics, it's worth a look-see until the Hawker and Citation II S550 make their arrivals.

The MV King Air 350i is available as a pre-order/alpha. The glass is nearly done but the systems aren't.

 

 

Cant wait for this!

F1 mustang, can get in out of short strips and it sounds great! WAAS capable glass cockpit is a joy but as others have mentioned you will need an above average machine to really enjoy it

The mustang's speed restrictions are what prevent me from bringing it out of the hangar as much as the Phenom, but I will agree that the systems simulation is much better.

Mustang is great - not as powerful or fast as the Eaglesoft - but the Garmin simulation is terrific.  Good enough, even, that I was able to use the radios, the transponder, and some basic navigation one on a recent "discovery flight" in a g1000 equipped 172 

The MilViz KA350i is, right now, one of my favorite business aircraft to fly, and I have had zero performance issues in P3D.  

 

I also 2nd (or 3rd) the Lionheart Lear 24B. Just flew it yesterday and had a blast.  I love the fact you can fly old school or with the GTN 750 without having to restart the sim - just flip a switch to change the panel (elegant solution by Bill Ortis). 

 

Flight 1 Cessna Mustang, the best Business Jet for FS by far.  Still has beautiful texturing that competes with modern releases.  One of the most functional G1000 simulations, and full systems coverage.

 

I would still like to see a version of this plane that works in P3D. I don't care how much I sound like a broken record to the guys at Flight1. One of the great features of the Mustang is that I could get it in and out of airfields with runways barely longer than 2000 feet.