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So are we at the point now that after all the testing we can conclude that switching to FSX-SE is the best move ?  What if any downsides still remain ?

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Not all fsx addons work in fsxse.. If you have a well tuned and enhanced fsx install, this is a major reason not to switch, I would think..

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The conclusion would be:

 

1. If you have problems with your current FSX installation, give FSX-SE a try.

 

2. If you don't have problems with your current FSX installation, don't bother with FSX-SE.

 

I fit into the second option. I have never had a problem with my FSX Deluxe + Acceleration. It runs very smoothly (much better for me than FS2004 where I still have stutters). I have never had an OOM error either, so I would gain nothing by switching.

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Well that didnt take much convincing lol.

 

 "Ive never had an oom" doesnt say much really does it? Anyone can scale back add ons  until they dont get ooms anymore but thats hardly massive immersion

 

Heres something a bit more scientific to browse through . What add ons do you want to work in FSx-Se would be easier to answer ?

 

 

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/460355-side-by-side-testing-fsx-vs-fsx-se/

 

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/460710-pmdg-777-hype-on-steam/

 

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/457968-fsx-se-compatibility-testing-thread/

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"Ive never had an oom" doesnt say much really does it? Anyone can scale back add ons until they dont get ooms anymore but thats hardly massive immersion

 

That's just it; I have never had an OOM, so I haven't had to scale anything back.

 

But I realize not all FSX users are in the same situation; which is why I recommended trying FSX-SE if as person does suffer from OOM's or if they experience stutters.

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I never an OOM either. But then I don't fly detailed airliners in and out of complex airports etc etc...

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That's just it; I have never had an OOM, so I haven't had to scale anything back.

 

But I realize not all FSX users are in the same situation; which is why I recommended trying FSX-SE if as person does suffer from OOM's or if they experience stutters.

 

I've never had an OOM either, except once due to an error in one of my own hardware drivers, causing a memory leak!

 

I'm moving to FSX-SE purely because it is a lot smoother for me, and especially at very dense airports such as London Heathrow (UK2000 v3). With FSX-SE I can put the sliders up higher, have much denser traffic, and still have smoother performance than with FSX-MS.

 

As you must see, there's more than one reason folks might find FSX-SE superior.

 

Pete

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Running FSX Steam with:

 

FTX Global + Vector +open LC Europe

Rex 4 Texture Direct + Soft Clouds

FS Global Ultimate Mesh - The Americas

 

PMDG 777-200LRF

 

Ideal Flight 10

FS Captain

GSX

Zinertek HD Airport Graphics

Accu-Feel

 

FSX Stock Weather (cause ASN isn't working)

 

 

Running full display settings with everything to the right.  Just doing a flight from KLAX to KPHX (a few airports with a lot of autogen scenery surrounding them), and I was hearing the VAS beeps by the time I landed and was trying to taxi to the gate.

 

I'm just saying, if you have the scenery addons all on the best settings running other stuff as well as using the PMDG 777, you could have a NASA computer and you'll still either crash or you'll be very close to the threshold of 4g VAS.

 

And this is for both FSX boxed and Steam edition.

 

I installed Steve's DX10 fixer and now run FSX in DX10 which has helped the VAS usage some.

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Some people mentioned having the steam edition crashing with some sort of terrain error. Was the cause of that ever discovered? Is it fixed? I'm reluctant to switch over to steam if there is an ongoing issue. Once ASN is working with it then I am strongly considering making the move as I am tired of the fsx vas issues with the pmdg 777. 

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Some people mentioned having the steam edition crashing with some sort of terrain error. Was the cause of that ever discovered? Is it fixed? I'm reluctant to switch over to steam if there is an ongoing issue. Once ASN is working with it then I am strongly considering making the move as I am tired of the fsx vas issues with the pmdg 777. 

 

Seems Dovetail are working hard to fix the Terrain.DLL issues. 

 

Pete

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Not all fsx addons work in fsxse.. If you have a well tuned and enhanced fsx install, this is a major reason not to switch, I would think..

 

If the dog sleeps, let sleep. FSX-SE is still not viable option until all addons are accounted for that can work in Steam. Until then, like "mmann" said, "If you have problems with your current FSX installation, give FSX-SE a try. If you don't have problems with your current FSX installation, don't bother with FSX-SE." I share that opinion also.

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Didn't buy it, and won't.  Currently switching completely to P3D, might consider seeing what FS11(?) gives.  My MS FSX works very well, lost the CD's a long time ago but have all my .iso backups.

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Thanks for the additional info.  I actually purchases FSX-SE when it was on sale but so far have not done anything with it and have not been following the threads that closely to know if the community can make a solid recommendation.  Regardless of the OOM issue, I really like the potential of smoother performance.

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I just got back into FSX in Dec. I own FSX SE and P3D but not installed (yet). I chose vanilla FSX because of where I fly and what I fly in. Alaska Orby, and PMDG J4100 - both not fully compatible with either SE or P3D.

 

I'll tell ya, after spending all of the time getting everything up and working- and working really good now. I am good to wait until the dust settles every where.

 

My frame counter is off, and no OOMs - it all looks great outside of my cockpit window. And I fly in the soup all of the time in Alaska's Fjords with real time weather OpusFSI, sexy Rexy, Orby into FSDT Vancouver &  Aerosoft's PANC (a heavy hitter but working fine). Honorable mention - Steve's great Dx Fix.

 

Now I fly and don't worry about latest greatest. Well I did just get 3 new GoFlight panels in the mail today....so a bit more work. :)

 

PS: It is great to not be into big tubes (777) and all of that crazy new stuff.

The song that comes to mind is "Damn it feels good to be a gangsta"  :Monkey:

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Thanks for the additional info.  I actually purchases FSX-SE when it was on sale but so far have not done anything with it and have not been following the threads that closely to know if the community can make a solid recommendation.  Regardless of the OOM issue, I really like the potential of smoother performance.

 

I'm with you. I really like the sound of smoother performance, but also better VAS handling. Still, one of the most important add ons is missing - ASN.

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I'm with you. I really like the sound of smoother performance, but also better VAS handling. Still, one of the most important add ons is missing - ASN.

 

Yea agreed.  Also, Dovetail really needs to address the terrain.dll and g3d.all issues.  Hopefully a fix comes soon.

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After the repeated terrain.dll, and that with everything set to default, having specifically bought the PMDG777 package to do long-haul flights, having FSX-SE CTD after 4-5 hours was just not acceptable, for me, at least. I have now ditched it completely, moved over to Prepar3D v2.5, and in the 4 long-haul flights over 8-9 hours each I have flown to date, not a single OOM, not a single terrain.dll or G3d.dll, or any dll CTD for that matter.

 

Good riddance FSX-SE!

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For anyone that flies online on the Digital Theme Park servers or

any other server that uses the "Direct Connect" funtion, FSX-SE is

not an option as DTG seems to have failed to implement that feature

which is 'standard' in FSX.

 

I suspect they may have done that to force folks to use their

multiplayer implementation of the old GameSpy.

 

I only fly online on the DTP servers so FSX-SE is useless to me

except as a test bed for beta testing. The same is true of my

P3D V2.4 install. I never use that to actually fly on a regular basis.

 

   Paul

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For anyone that flies online on the Digital Theme Park servers or

any other server that uses the "Direct Connect" funtion, FSX-SE is

not an option as DTG seems to have failed to implement that feature

which is 'standard' in FSX.

 

I suspect they may have done that to force folks to use their

multiplayer implementation of the old GameSpy.

 

I only fly online on the DTP servers so FSX-SE is useless to me

except as a test bed for beta testing. The same is true of my

P3D V2.4 install. I never use that to actually fly on a regular basis.

 

   Paul

 

I am pretty much a Vatsim pilot so this is not an issue.

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Dunno, I still think FSX:SE has been released on Steam, tweaked for Steam multiplayer & intended for the Steam gamers to intoduce them to a flight sim. I also think it's pretty much geared up for DLC's, So it makes it pretty much a 'plug 'n play' game for newbies there, who do not want to fiddle with installations & tweaks.

 

Us older/more experienced folk that already have FSX are possibly looking for the 'Holy Grail' & are very fortunate that most add-ons will work, with existing developers 'making a plan' to get their stuff to work within FSX:SE.

 

Interesting to see if Dovetail's new sim, whenever & if ever will be released, will be a closed sim, similar to Flight! with DLC's only.

 

My thoughts, as they are, is to consider FSX:SE as a different & separate sim to FSX, NOT as a replacement, and with a heap of similarities & isues of it's own.

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That's just it; I have never had an OOM, so I haven't had to scale anything back.

 

But I realize not all FSX users are in the same situation; which is why I recommended trying FSX-SE if as person does suffer from OOM's or if they experience stutters.

I'm in the same boat fortunately. Run all the PMDG planes, tons of addon airports that I have carefully tweaked, UT2 with custom AI, and numerous other addons and never OOM or CTD since getting FSX back in 2008. At this point I have no reason to change to SE and start the process of backing up all my tweaked addons, uninstalling them and FSX and then installing SE and putting it all back together again.

 

Since mine isn't broke there's nothing to fix, but I do agree that SE might be a viable option for those who just can't regular FSX to perform correctly for them.

 

I do however feel VERY fortunate that I have been able to run one install on both rigs I have built going back to 2008 and never had any issues with either build. Reading all the posts since the about OOMs and CTDs reminds me how fortunate I am that I can just fly and not be tweaking or reinstalling all the time.

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I'm in the same boat fortunately. Run all the PMDG planes, tons of addon airports that I have carefully tweaked, UT2 with custom AI, and numerous other addons and never OOM or CTD since getting FSX back in 2008. At this point I have no reason to change to SE and start the process of backing up all my tweaked addons, uninstalling them and FSX and then installing SE and putting it all back together again.

 

Since mine isn't broke there's nothing to fix, but I do agree that SE might be a viable option for those who just can't regular FSX to perform correctly for them.

 

I do however feel VERY fortunate that I have been able to run one install on both rigs I have built going back to 2008 and never had any issues with either build. Reading all the posts since the about OOMs and CTDs reminds me how fortunate I am that I can just fly and not be tweaking or reinstalling all the time.

Give me access to your Sim via team speak with the PMDG 777, orbx and FSDT scenery(and your fsx.cfg)  and I will get you an OOM in under 10 mins.

 

Its not about no ooms but more to do with how much more can I get from my sim with higher settings? If you got LOD 10 and all shadows with bloom wouldnt you want that? For me just increasing the LOD up 2 notches or maxing high def clouds  is more than worth the change. But I understand some folk dont want clouds or ORBX so please ignore my post :-)

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Running FSX with DX10 makes a pretty significant performance difference from a VAS standpoint.  I had been waiting to reinstall FTX Vector and my mesh scenery because I was afraid of going over on VAS, but after making it DX10 I would go from LAX to LAS or PHX to SLC and I'd get to 3.5-3.7 but never above that.

 

I was not able to do that in DX9, not in a million years, not with full settings and with these addons:

 

FTX Global + Vector

Rex 4 Tex Direct + Soft Clouds (cloud textures at 4096 high res also)

FS Global Ultimate Mesh - Americas

PMDG 777-200LRF

Ideal Flight 10

FSCaptain

ASN

Zinertek HD Airport Graphics

 

With DX9 I'd run out of VAS during my approach closing in on a runway.  DX10 has been the savior for me.

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Gypsy Baron.. Yup, FSX:SE is geared up for the Steam Servers, DLC's etc.

As I have said... we are really getting into a case of Analysis Paralysis.

 

Surley it must tell us something that FSX:SE is on Steam, geared for Steam servers & set up for Steam DLC's. (yes, I know, it is a bonus that plenty other add-ons work). Makes it so easy for the newbies, does it not? with it's 'plug 'n play' ease of use? (with DLC's), to make it so easy.

So, FSX: SE with it's 5 available DLC's should be the package to consider! in isolation to the mainstream FSX!

 

We are all going to get different results as we throw different add-ons into it & our hardware is so different to everyone elses.

 

Let's all take a step back & see it for what it is.. an 8 year old tweaked re-release to run on modern PC's, that works amazingly well for some, & not so great for others.

For us, at our VA clubhouse, we don't have internet access, so this is a 'no-go' for us as well.

 

Sigh! Just imagine if Dovetail's own sim will be similar to Flight! with DLC's? It will probably be so, being release on Steam.

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