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RancidViper

Taking the plunge to P3D!

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Hello all,

 

I've been a Microsoft FS user since 98! And have been enjoying FSX since 2006 with all it's amazing addons and tweaks. For all users who have used MFS before, you may have all been through the phases of installing addon after addon until your simulator just can't take anymore and you end up having to re install. Well I think I broke my FSX for the last time ever!

 

All I did was install some windows updates, carefully making sure they weren't listed in the FS community as having issues with FSX, but all it did was add a whole heap of stutters to my sim, and nothing I do seems to be fixing it.

 

SO, I decided to pay for a one month subscription to P3D and holy moly, I couldn't have been any more in awe of how much better it looks, feels, and runs. Now I have it pretty much in vanilla, just added FTX Global to see how it looks and so far it's a beauty!

 

I would like to know though from experienced users, if there are any important tweaks, valuable information and just some tips and tricks that I need to know. I spent so much time reading and researching on FSX, and I want to do just the same for P3D to try and fully understand it's capabilities/limitations before I buy a full license.

 

My System Specs :

 

Intel Core i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz - 16GB RAM, Nvidia Geforce GTX660 2GB, Windows 7 64-bit

 

Cheers!
Randy

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You will benefit from a faster video card - 6 gb nvidia card will do nicely - P3D puts more work on the video card - fsx did not - and there is not a lot of tweaking in P3D like in fsx my cfg file only has a few tweaks bam done set it and forget it - just buy P3D - monthly is a waste of money as you WILL NOT BE GOING BACK to fsx - get situated and there is plenty of help here

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My guess is that Vanilla FSX would also look, feel, and run much better than FSX after "installing addon after addon until your simulator just can't take anymore"..

 

Sure P3D is the answer?

 

B)

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Heya Randy, 

 

A good place to start is LM themselves: http://www.prepar3d.com/SDKv2/LearningCenter/getting_started/performance/tuning_guide.html

 

P3D is almost as bad a tweak-fest as FSX, but things seem a little for deterministic in behavior.

 

Have fun!

 

Thanks John! Will have a good read through! I love investigating! :lol:

 

 

You will benefit from a faster video card - 6 gb nvidia card will do nicely - P3D puts more work on the video card - fsx did not - and there is not a lot of tweaking in P3D like in fsx my cfg file only has a few tweaks bam done set it and forget it - just buy P3D - monthly is a waste of money as you WILL NOT BE GOING BACK to fsx - get situated and there is plenty of help here

 

Thanks Rich! I actually have a plan to either spend on a new processor or a graphics card. If I was still using FSX the processor would be a no brainer, but if I do make the switch to P3D permanently, do you think the graphics card would be the better investment?

 

My guess is that Vanilla FSX would also look, feel, and run much better than FSX after "installing addon after addon until your simulator just can't take anymore"..

 

Sure P3D is the answer?

 

B)

 

Haha! Yes it would Bert (except for the look part), but what's the fun in that? :lol:

 

No but seriously, I do take great care when doing so, especially over the last couple of years since I bought a new PC. That statement was more aimed towards my 2006-2012/13 days when I would just push it as far as it would go.

 

I've been on the fence with making the switch anyway, just that I finally had a good excuse to try it out! And I must say I think it is the way to go now. B)

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My guess is that Vanilla FSX would also look, feel, and run much better than FSX after "installing addon after addon until your simulator just can't take anymore"..

 

Sure P3D is the answer?

 

B)

 

Now that was funny Bert.

 

That said, don't you see us all over at P3D in the not so distant future?  

Heya Randy, 

 

A good place to start is LM themselves: http://www.prepar3d.com/SDKv2/LearningCenter/getting_started/performance/tuning_guide.html

 

P3D is almost as bad a tweak-fest as FSX, but things seem a little for deterministic in behavior.

 

Have fun!

 

So is this about it in regards to the "tweakfest"?  No NickN Bible? LOL

 

I am considering swapping mobo/processor, upgrade memory, get a good card and jumping in to P3D myself.

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Thanks John! Will have a good read through! I love investigating! :lol:

 

Thanks Rich! I actually have a plan to either spend on a new processor or a graphics card. If I was still using FSX the processor would be a no brainer, but if I do make the switch to P3D permanently, do you think the graphics card would be the better investment?

 

 

Video card for sure as that cpu is decent and learn how to overclock

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Video card for sure as that cpu is decent and learn how to overclock

 

Ah but it is not a 'K' series processor so it is not unlocked for overclocking. Hence my initial plan to upgrade the processor.

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Ah but it is not a 'K' series processor so it is not unlocked for overclocking. Hence my initial plan to upgrade the processor.

 

Tough call as both really need the upgrade since its not a K 

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Hi Guys, I am also thinking of going over to P3D, I have FSX-SE at the moment, but as "Rich" says P3D will take advantage of a good GPU. I recently got a new system (around 5 months ago), which is X99, 5820 o/c to 4.3, EVAG 980 GPU (not overclocked), 16 meg DDR4 Memory. Performance in FSX-SE is quite good, but if I did migrate to P3D, would I see better performance with the 980, also I am thinking of getting another 980 in SLI, not only for flight sims but to improve other types of sims and games. I did read Nvidia or P3D was bringing out an update to take advantage of SLI, can anyone confirm this ?. The other question (sorry for all the questions) is do I drop the SLI idea and swap the 980 for a 980 ti which I think is around 30% more powerful than the standard 980.

Sorry for the long post, any advice from you guys would be appreciated.

Thanks,

John.

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Seems many of the posts I read on Facebook and forums regarding problems that occur with P3D, are mainly  due to people tweaking it like they did with FSX. I only changed two things, in mine, and it runs smooth as silk with zero problems, crashes, and stutters. It wasn't broken when I installed it , so I didn't try and fix it. 

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Seems many of the posts I read on Facebook and forums regarding problems that occur with P3D, are mainly  due to people tweaking it like they did with FSX. I only changed two things, in mine, and it runs smooth as silk with zero problems, crashes, and stutters. It wasn't broken when I installed it , so I didn't try and fix it.

Could be why you don't have oom's B)

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Hi Guys, I am also thinking of going over to P3D, I have FSX-SE at the moment, but as "Rich" says P3D will take advantage of a good GPU. I recently got a new system (around 5 months ago), which is X99, 5820 o/c to 4.3, EVAG 980 GPU (not overclocked), 16 meg DDR4 Memory. Performance in FSX-SE is quite good, but if I did migrate to P3D, would I see better performance with the 980, also I am thinking of getting another 980 in SLI, not only for flight sims but to improve other types of sims and games. I did read Nvidia or P3D was bringing out an update to take advantage of SLI, can anyone confirm this ?. The other question (sorry for all the questions) is do I drop the SLI idea and swap the 980 for a 980 ti which I think is around 30% more powerful than the standard 980.

Sorry for the long post, any advice from you guys would be appreciated.

Thanks,

John.

 

4.3Ghz will be fine for P3D. You'll be amazed.

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Could be why you don't have oom's B)

 

Right now I am having a debate with myself about getting a PMDG 737 NG. I love flying the Majestic Q400 and getting a solid 30 FPS locked, and maybe around 35 FPS unlocked. The Q400 is FPS friendly and actually a bit more of a challenge to fly than I remember the PMDG 737 I had years ago in FSX. My concern is that I spend the $90, load up the 737, and am then looking at FPS in the low 20's or even lower. If that happens, I probably will not even bother flying it, so it would be a $90 lesson. The feature I like most about P3D is the smoothness of it's operation which is so unlike any PC simulation I have ever tried, and I hate to ruin it for one aircraft, or piece of scenery. 

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I switched from FSX to P3D two months ago (after a serious FSX problem) and I am quite happy with the move. The only downside for me is that I loved to fly some PMDG planes, but I am not prepared to pay twice for essentially the same product. 

 

If you are not always flying PMDG planes, or if you don't mind spending another $135 for a plane that you bought for $90 two years ago (777-200LR), then I highly recommend to switch. If you do, then you may have to make compromises. I had some problems parting from PMDG planes, but I found that the Razbam Metroliner is a fair replacement for the JS4100, and the Milviz B737-200 is a reasonable replacement for the 737 NGX. Not quite on par, but I do enjoy flying these planes. Plus, there is always the great Majestic Dash 8 of course :) And if you don't mind too much about Boeing vs Airbus, then Aerosoft's A320 is a great replacement for the 737 NGX as well.

 

Peter

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Now that was funny Bert.

 

That said, don't you see us all over at P3D in the not so distant future?  

 

 

 

I am not so sure... FSX runs very well for me on a dedicated SSD, a Haswell CPU @4.0, coupled with a GTX770, and fast GSkill memory..

 

There would have to be some really big breakthrough for me to abandon my hangar full of planes with Reality XP gauges..

 

For now, I am staying put..

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I hear ya.  I have a lot of addons too.  At this point I am looking into it.   

 

Question for you.  Do you have any stutters?  I was talking with my local computer store today and we were thinking that with that sort of power and the higher GPU, that should eliminate most of them, my thoughts are too with the SSD and the faster access, I would think stutters ought to be eliminated.  

 

He further stated that all might be for not with the upgrades.  He has a commercial demo version of Windows 10  Looks very nice.  The thoughts are DX12 is going to be included.  Windows 10 and DX12 are geared towards gamers along with a lot of other features.  

 

Any thoughts, ideas I'd appreciate.  

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"I would think stutters ought to be eliminated"

 

No such thing as a stutter free flightsim but a fraction of them in P3D compared to FSX and you can turn something down to help with that

 

Windows 10 pro - its excellent s far and I havent even done a fresh install yet - should get even better

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That is GREAT news!  Did it come with DX12?


I did the DX10 upgrade a while ago and that helped FSX out a bunch.  I did the NickN install, Avsim Guide, then DX10 and have yet to go back to DX9  So I (with others) have high hopes for DX 12.

 

I've seen that you have recommended P3D to other simmers.  I like the idea if for no reason, somebody, anybody, is at the helm with support and it looks like we will see improvements etc unlike FSX.  So I am preparing for the leap.  LOL

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That is GREAT news!  Did it come with DX12?

 

Yes - get leaping what are you waiting for nothing is going to happen to fsx - bet on it - if it does not much

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Question for you.  Do you have any stutters?  I was talking with my local computer store today and we were thinking that with that sort of power and the higher GPU, that should eliminate most of them, my thoughts are too with the SSD and the faster access, I would think stutters ought to be eliminated.  

 

 

Any thoughts, ideas I'd appreciate.  

 

 

I do not have any stutters, but that may also be because I fly GA airplanes in Orbx sceneries with little traffic and no heavy duty airports, except for a few scenic ones, like FlyTampa St. Maarten, and FTX Palm Springs and Sedona etc..

 

I have my fps locked at 30 and am able to maintain 30 fps in pretty much all circumstances.

 

That makes for smooth flight and no stutters..

 

As the other thread indicates, it is possible to overload either FSX or P3D by just adding enough addons..

 

Look for donkey picture at the bottom of this page:

 

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/471839-come-on-fsx-its-2015/page-4

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Thanks for all the tips guys, interesting to read all the varied opinions. On a personal level, after being a die hard FSX fan since it came out, I do believe P3D is the future. And while I do agree with the fact that paying almost double for the NGX is a bit absurd, I think in the long run if you want a constantly improving platform for flight simming, we are all going to end up with P3D anyway.

 

On another note, having done a few test tweaks to my P3D cfg, I've also realized that it's completely unnecessary on most counts. Just deleted my edited file and rebuilt a new one, it's as smooth as I could possibly want it.

 

I do want to ask though, since I haven't really put it to the test with a full IFR flight in significant weather conditions, are there tweaks such as the highmemfix and affinitymask settings that would actually be useful for P3D?

I see some users have stated that they are using only a couple of tweaks, would appreciate it if you could tell me what those tweaks are and why you think it's important.

 

Cheers!

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I don't have any stutters and I have a 3 year old middle of the road non gaming PC . I  don't load P3D up with airports, fancy scenery, and every add on in the world. That's probably why, no stutters.  

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I don't have any stutters and I have a 3 year old middle of the road non gaming PC . I  don't load P3D up with airports, fancy scenery, and every add on in the world. That's probably why, no stutters.  

There is that now.  LOL.  Great point.  

 

I'm not a scenery guy per say.  I just want a great platform for good glass aircraft.  At the moment I want to see what DX12 does for us if anything, before I upgrade and build my next sim rig.

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