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New GeForce GTX 970 DRIVER Crashes FSX

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I updated my GTX 970 GeForce driver yesterday to the ver: 361.43 released 12/21/2015 and FSX (boxed on Win 8.1 on a high end 4790K PC) won't start and the whole CPU freezes up on the splash screen.  I rolled back to ver: 359.06 released 12/01/2015 and all is back to normal.

 

Bruce

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I just bought a EVGA GTX970 today, am running FSX-SE, on a Win10 Pro using 353 drivers without a glitch. Maybe Nvidia's latest drivers are buggy?

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My bad... clearly a driver issue.  I edited the Topic.

 

This is the first time since building this PC in July that I've had a driver issue with NVIDIA.

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Same problem here.

 

Until now i NEVER had a driver issue for the last 7 years, and now the Nvidia 361.43 drivers freeze my Windows 7 computer with Nvidia Geforce 570 videocard completly!   Only a hard reset did help, and now after rolling back tot the previous 359.06 drivers everything seems to be ok again.

 

I found also several warnings about this in the Geforce forum :

 

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/906001/driver-version-361-43-and-flight-simulator-x/?offset=5

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Thinking that I was quite comfortably smug that I had an Nvidia driver from Nvidia's website that was working flawlessly on my brand-new GTX970, as Sod's Law would have it, I suffered a graphics CTD caused by nvlddmkm error. But instead of getting the driver from Nvidia, I got it from EVGA as per Microsoft's advice on that error. And touch wood, so far all seems normal.

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I have the same driver installed with ZERO issues running FSX, although it is FSX SE. Maybe that's the difference?

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Great! Any way in Windows 10 to keep the driver from updating until all is clear?  And in case some have issues with new drivers and the 970, would you please each in your posts indicate which make and version 970 you have in use?

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No problems here with the 361.43's on an EVGA 970.

 

Great! Any way in Windows 10 to keep the driver from updating until all is clear?  And in case some have issues with new drivers and the 970, would you please each in your posts indicate which make and version 970 you have in use?

 

I always disconnect my computer from the 'net when I'm ready to install new drivers.  Keeps Windows (I'm on 7 64bit) from "thinking" me into trouble.

 

Greg

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No problems here with the 361.43's on an EVGA 970.

 

 

I always disconnect my computer from the 'net when I'm ready to install new drivers.  Keeps Windows (I'm on 7 64bit) from "thinking" me into trouble.

 

Greg

Greg. Understand. Microsoft has created a different animal in Windows 10, and its total control of updates!

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Greg. Understand. Microsoft has created a different animal in Windows 10, and its total control of updates!

 

Ugh! My wife came home with a Win 10 Surface Pro this week... and I'm the guy who gets to manage it.  So you're telling me I can't stop the OS from installing new drivers through Update?

 

Sorry for derailing the thread...  the 361.43's aren't any different for me than the umteen previous versions (over the past few years) of Nvidia drivers.  FSX Accel didn't get any better or worse after this driver install.

 

Greg

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Great! Any way in Windows 10 to keep the driver from updating until all is clear?  And in case some have issues with new drivers and the 970, would you please each in your posts indicate which make and version 970 you have in use?

EVGA GTX970; Driver directly from EVGA:361.43, FSX-SE on Windows 10 Pro side-by-side with P3D v.2.5, and I control my Updates.

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I just upgraded to Win10 a couple days ago. Went to update to the new 361.43 drivers via Nvidia's installer, and it failed repeatedly. Long story short, I had to do a clean manual install in safe mode to get the new drivers, and access to the Nvidia Control Panel back,. Thankfully the drivers were available on Nvidia's site. Read somewhere that soon the Nvidia GeForce Experience, and Win10 upgrade systems were going to soon be the only place to get updates. Had this been the case yesterday I truly would have been screwed.

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Ha the same thing with the 361.43 driver.

FSX started and locked the complete pc.
It would also lock on other applications. Now running on 1 driver earlier and all is without issues.

 

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I just upgraded to Win10 a couple days ago. Went to update to the new 361.43 drivers via Nvidia's installer, and it failed repeatedly. Long story short, I had to do a clean manual install in safe mode to get the new drivers, and access to the Nvidia Control Panel back,. Thankfully the drivers were available on Nvidia's site. Read somewhere that soon the Nvidia GeForce Experience, and Win10 upgrade systems were going to soon be the only place to get updates. Had this been the case yesterday I truly would have been screwed.

Not quite true as MS Windows 10 Forums themselves have stated when I had that error with the Nvidia-sourced driver that one cam go back to the DPU manufacturer's website and get the driver from there. Which is what I did, and the driver since then has been rock solid.

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I'm not convinced that there are problems with the drivers or everyone would have issues with them. I'm using the 361.43 drivers with Windows 7 64bit and an MSI GTX 970 Gaming card and have no problems whatsoever. However, I never update to a new driver without fully uninstalling the previous one. I use Display Driver Uninstaller for a guaranteed way of completely clearing out the old drivers - http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html. I also avoid installing GeForce Experience which seems to cause more problems than it solves and does nothing for FSX anyway. If you're having problems, try a complete uninstall and reboot before reinstalling the latest drivers.

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I'm not convinced that there are problems with the drivers or everyone would have issues with them.

Good that it's working for you but there are a lot of variables to compatibility.  I'm using an ASUS GeForce GTX 970 TURBO-GTX970-OC-4GD5 Video Card on Win 8.1 with FSX-MS.  I don't uninstall first since I want the option of falling back to the last version.  I don't use GeForce Experience either.

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My current driver using Windows 10 is 353.82.  All is fine.  

 

Like Vortex681 I am using a MSI GTX 970 Gaming. My version is 4GB GDDR5 100ME.

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I don't use GeForce Experience either.

Neither do I, or their 3D Vision crap too. Just plain and simple drivers.

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Good that it's working for you but there are a lot of variables to compatibility.  I'm using an ASUS GeForce GTX 970 TURBO-GTX970-OC-4GD5 Video Card on Win 8.1 with FSX-MS.  I don't uninstall first since I want the option of falling back to the last version.  I don't use GeForce Experience either.

 

I agree about the variability between systems but, in some ways, that was my point. NVIDIA can't test everything and it's more likely to be a conflict with some other piece of software than a fundamental problem with the drivers themselves or, as I mentioned before, everyone would have issues which clearly isn't the case.

 

As to uninstalling previous drivers first, the only serious problem I had in the past with updating graphics drivers was solved by fully uninstalling and then reinstalling the latest version again which is why I now do it every time.

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Just got a new gaming rig in November from CyberpowerPC with Win 10 installed (had no choice in that). On the second Microsoft update, two of my programs were DELETED during the update by MS:  One was Speccy, a hardware monitoring program that also gives temperature readings.  Reason given for deletion by Microsoft:  "The program does not work...".   Even if that were true (I believe the Speccy app works fine, having tried several other similar apps),  I think it should be up to the PC user to decide what gets deleted, not Microsoft.  Of course, I re-installed it.  But the point is, I no longer have control of updates in Win 10, besides doing an uninstall.  

 

BTW, in my new rig I have a GTX 970 - thanks for heads-up on that update.

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I use Display Driver Uninstaller for a guaranteed way of completely clearing out the old drivers - http://www.guru3d.co...r-download.html.

I downloaded and used this utility on an older PC that I don't use for FSX.  It had an NVIDIA GeForce 200 video card but the utility seems to have disabled it and installed a basic Microsoft display adapter.  Now I can't seem to get the NVIDIA adapter recognized.

 Any idea what happened???

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I downloaded and used this utility on an older PC that I don't use for FSX.  It had an NVIDIA GeForce 200 video card but the utility seems to have disabled it and installed a basic Microsoft display adapter.  Now I can't seem to get the NVIDIA adapter recognized.

 Any idea what happened???

 

The whole idea of the application is that it completely removes all traces of the NVIDIA drivers and Windows then uses its own generic drivers. Just download the latest NVIDIA drivers for your card and Windows version and install them - they will recognise your card.

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The whole idea of the application is that it completely removes all traces of the NVIDIA drivers and Windows then uses its own generic drivers.

Then apparently I did it right...  I should have read more about it first. :fool:  But since then I've downloaded and installed the NVIDIA drivers.  All good.  Not sure I'll try it on my FSX PC yet.  "If it ain't broke..."

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Since I started this topic, I thought I should report that I reloaded 361.43 drivers and installed from GeForce Experience and when starting FSX-MS Acceleration (Win 8.1) everything froze as before.  Going back to 359.06 worked fine.  Then I installed and ran Guru3D DDU and then installed 361.43 from the NVIDIA downloads and everything runs fine.  So it must have been some previous version holdover that was the incompatibility.  Issue resolved.  -Thanks 

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