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  A year ago, I think i made a bad flightsim decision.. I was trying to save on money and bought CS 777 instead of PMDG 777.. the night lighting is bad, flight dynamics, engine/APU start sequence inaccurate, etc.. I was euphoric at the money I saved but I'm finding out all the little flaws of the CS 777 over time that are now shadowing whatever monetary benefit I gained.. I'm seriously considering retiring my CS 777 in the Mojave desert and thinking about buying PMDG 777.  Wanted to hear from the community if this is a good decision. 

 

If I'm going to buy it, any idea when the best deals are out there? Should I wait for black friday/thanksgiving sale etc? Does PMDG typically offer big discounts during holiday sales? I see that Aerosoft is selling PMDG base 777 at 67 Euro which is about 15-20 $ cheaper than the PMDG website.. 

 

I'm all ears for suggestions and advise... 

 

 Cheers.

Vinod Kumar.

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one more question i had  - I saw a youtube video of PMDG 777-300ER Turkish airlines which had blue cockpit lighting.. this was awesome and even better than the green back lighting.. Is this an option offered only with the turkish livery? 


here is the link for the video if you want to check it out.. 

 

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I don't think PMDG offer discounts, but go for their products. You won't be disappointed. I only use PMDG products. If you do a search in the forums, you will find comparisons with the product you mention.

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As far as I know, PMDG never does sales (they definitely didn't do a sale in the last two years). Don't know about resellers like Aerosoft. The PMDG 777 is absolutely worth it. Together with the NGX and the Majestic Q400 the best airliner out there.

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As far as I know, PMDG never does sales (they definitely didn't do a sale in the last two years). Don't know about resellers like Aerosoft. The PMDG 777 is absolutely worth it. Together with the NGX and the Majestic Q400 the best airliner out there.

Totally agree...I recall PMDG having a "special offer" when they initially released their 777 base package for P3D......but after a limited time, the price reverted to normal. PMDG is well worth the price. And look at the fantastic support (Kyle) which we receive within these forums. When purchasing any product, after sales support is so important. PMDG are excellent in that sphere...you may pay less for other addons, but the support may not be forthcoming.

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thanks everyone for the advice!

 

I'll buy it from the aerosoft site.. i did buy the NGX from aerosoft last year and it has been serving me well.. 

 

does anyone know about the blue cockpit lighting in PMDG 777?   I saw it only in one video and it looks super cool.. in all other videos, lighting is standard green.. 

 

Kyle - can you verify this? thanks!

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thanks everyone for the advice!

 

I'll buy it from the aerosoft site.. i did buy the NGX from aerosoft last year and it has been serving me well.. 

 

does anyone know about the blue cockpit lighting in PMDG 777?   I saw it only in one video and it looks super cool.. in all other videos, lighting is standard green.. 

 

Kyle - can you verify this? thanks!

Rather buy from PMDG as a download...no issue with aerosoft, but updates are a bit delayed with them.

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Rather buy from PMDG as a download...no issue with aerosoft, but updates are a bit delayed with them.

 

+1, nothing better than a "direct" support and as Peter said you will get updates earlier than with AS (which i'm not criticizing).

 

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Vinod,

I personally do not agree that the PMDG 777 flight dynamics are correct.    I purchased the 777 package for Prepar3d one month ago and right away observed several glaring issues with the fly-by-wire flight modeling.     

Firstly, the PMDG 777 has a serious flaw with normal flare compensation mode logic.   If even a slightly higher than normal glidepath in flown on short final, the PMDG FBW logic will regularly lock out almost all pitch authority (via elevator control effectiveness) just before a normal flare can be accomplished.      This of course results in unavoidable hard landings and is not correct.    Secondly, the same flawed FBW logic will conversely cause the PMDG 777 to 'autoflare' when coming into ground effect, resulting in an unavoidable float if a slightly lower than normal glideslope in flown on short final.    Again, both issues are caused by flawed flare compensation mode logic that has never been addressed by PMDG.     

Please be aware that PMDG can be downright deceptive in being honest about shortcomings with their 777 FBW system.   When PMDG initially released the 777, the manual pitch trim system logic was modeled completely wrong, despite PMDG's claims of having access to exclusive Boeing engineering data and employing real-world 777 pilots on the beta testing team.    PMDG took a full YEAR to properly fix this flaw, and the end result is unfortunately a 'hobbled' pitch trim system that does not work at all like the real 777 system in terms of pilot input.    The real 777 is designed to be trimmed like any other conventional aircraft, but the PMDG 777 manual pitch trim logic requires a difficult, non-intuitive user-input simulation technique that is not at all realistic.   My opinion is that PMDG was never able to completely repair their own mistake and ultimately compromised, sort of 'half-modeling' proper pitch trim FBW logic.    

Systems-wise, the PMDG 777 is indeed a marvel, but the flight modeling is far from perfect.

 

Regards,

 

Monty Preston

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Anything from PMDG is JUST TOO GOOD!

 

The 777 is for me their masterpiece, and, should I still be an FSX / P3D user, I wouldn't skip their upcoming 744, but unfortunately, I am eagerly awaiting DTG's Flight School and sim, and more on the Combat Flight Simulation camp these days ...

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Vinod,

 

I personally do not agree that the PMDG 777 flight dynamics are correct.    I purchased the 777 package for Prepar3d one month ago and right away observed several glaring issues with the fly-by-wire flight modeling.     

 

Firstly, the PMDG 777 has a serious flaw with normal flare compensation mode logic.   If even a slightly higher than normal glidepath in flown on short final, the PMDG FBW logic will regularly lock out almost all pitch authority (via elevator control effectiveness) just before a normal flare can be accomplished.      This of course results in unavoidable hard landings and is not correct.    Secondly, the same flawed FBW logic will conversely cause the PMDG 777 to 'autoflare' when coming into ground effect, resulting in an unavoidable float if a slightly lower than normal glideslope in flown on short final.    Again, both issues are caused by flawed flare compensation mode logic that has never been addressed by PMDG.     

 

Please be aware that PMDG can be downright deceptive in being honest about shortcomings with their 777 FBW system.   When PMDG initially released the 777, the manual pitch trim system logic was modeled completely wrong, despite PMDG's claims of having access to exclusive Boeing engineering data and employing real-world 777 pilots on the beta testing team.    PMDG took a full YEAR to properly fix this flaw, and the end result is unfortunately a 'hobbled' pitch trim system that does not work at all like the real 777 system in terms of pilot input.    The real 777 is designed to be trimmed like any other conventional aircraft, but the PMDG 777 manual pitch trim logic requires a difficult, non-intuitive user-input simulation technique that is not at all realistic.   My opinion is that PMDG was never able to completely repair their own mistake and ultimately compromised, sort of 'half-modeling' proper pitch trim FBW logic.    

 

Systems-wise, the PMDG 777 is indeed a marvel, but the flight modeling is far from perfect.

 

Regards,

 

Monty Preston

Thanks Monty...I am not entirely familiar with the 777 logic...but thanks for enlightening us...this can only be a positive input towards future updates...

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Please be aware that PMDG can be downright deceptive in being honest about shortcomings with their 777 FBW system

 

 

Hope  you can back this  statement  up

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I personally do not agree that the PMDG 777 flight dynamics are correct. I purchased the 777 package for Prepar3d one month ago and right away observed several glaring issues with the fly-by-wire flight modeling.
Do you fly the T7 for an airline in the real world?

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I passed by an airport on my way here this morning so I feel I am qualified to answer the question in question: All flight models for all simulated virtual aircraft are wrong and never will be exact in our short lifetime.

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does anyone know about the blue cockpit lighting in PMDG 777?   I saw it only in one video and it looks super cool.. in all other videos, lighting is standard green.. 

 

You can change the colors in the PMDG Options > menu of the FMC.

 

 

 


Please be aware that PMDG can be downright deceptive in being honest about shortcomings with their 777 FBW system.

 

The glaring issues were, initially, the result of a miscommunication. This was communicated. When we found out that it needed to be updated, we were open and honest about that fact. Initially, yes, we stonewalled a bit because right after a release because all you hear is "this is wrong," and "that is wrong," mostly because people didn't bother to read the Intro Manual. Moreover, we had (and do have) access to information that most people here do not have. Beyond that, we had a number of real world (verified - not just random people online who claimed to have flown it) pilots on the Tech Team, along with sim techs and a few other knowledgeable people. We continued to refine it with their feedback, and the last update to that was a result of that. If you have verifiable hours on the type, then I welcome you to submit a ticket with all of your objections to the modeling.

 

Feedback is always appreciated, but the accusations of deception go a little too far.

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vin747, on 25 Feb 2016 - 11:50 PM, said:

 

A year ago, I think i made a bad flightsim decision.. I was trying to save on money and bought CS 777 instead of PMDG 777.. the night lighting is bad, flight dynamics, engine/APU start sequence inaccurate, etc.. I was euphoric at the money I saved but I'm finding out all the little flaws of the CS 777 over time that are now shadowing whatever monetary benefit I gained.. I'm seriously considering retiring my CS 777 in the Mojave desert and thinking about buying PMDG 777. Wanted to hear from the community if this is a good decision.

 

If I'm going to buy it, any idea when the best deals are out there? Should I wait for black friday/thanksgiving sale etc? Does PMDG typically offer big discounts during holiday sales? I see that Aerosoft is selling PMDG base 777 at 67 Euro which is about 15-20 $ cheaper than the PMDG website..

 

I'm all ears for suggestions and advise...

 

Cheers.

Vinod Kumar.

Hi, Kumar,

 

I flew the CS 777 while waiting for the PMDG to come out. The CS was buggy and they were rather slow in fixing even basic ones. I only knew how to fly it at all because I had previously used the PSS (FS9) 777. The PSS came with pretty good documentation, while the CS did not. The PMDG comes with a very good tutorial, plus there is another very good one available on this site by Kyle Rodgers. It also has an overwhelming amount of documentation. I'm curious to know how you even learned to fly the CS version?

 

PMDG is very good about fixing bugs, and around New Years went to quite a bit of trouble to provide a major update that is lighter on memory usage.

 

The only real advantage to the CS is eye candy and a full virtual cabin (but no full cockpit if you choose to use the virtual cabin version).

 

It is true that the download version on Aerosoft's site is somewhat less expensive at the moment than the direct PMDG download. But as Pedro said, there is a delay in getting updates from Aerosoft, as PMDG always wants to be sure their latest version doesn't introduce new bugs before sending it over to Aerosoft.

 

Monty, I would like to know how you know about proper 777 trim behavior. There are a couple of RW 777 pilots in this forum and I've seen nothing about this (since PMDG did its major FBW fix awhile back).

 

Mike

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The problem you have is, that you "thought" you was saving money and like many things in real life the cheaper option can turn out to be the more expensive one, because now you need to buy the very best there is and its cost you PMDG price plus what ever you paid for the CS version that you will bin.

 

Like real life some time you save money in the long run by buying the best in the first place.

 

If there is ever an option of a PMDG version don't look at anything else.

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A year ago, I think i made a bad flightsim decision.. I was trying to save on money and bought CS 777 instead of PMDG 777.. the night lighting is bad, flight dynamics, engine/APU start sequence inaccurate, etc.. I was euphoric at the money I saved but I'm finding out all the little flaws of the CS 777 over time that are now shadowing whatever monetary benefit I gained.. I'm seriously considering retiring my CS 777 in the Mojave desert and thinking about buying PMDG 777.  Wanted to hear from the community if this is a good decision. 

 

If I'm going to buy it, any idea when the best deals are out there? Should I wait for black friday/thanksgiving sale etc? Does PMDG typically offer big discounts during holiday sales? I see that Aerosoft is selling PMDG base 777 at 67 Euro which is about 15-20 $ cheaper than the PMDG website.. 

 

I'm all ears for suggestions and advise... 

 

 Cheers.

Vinod Kumar.

In my humble opinion the PMDG 777 is probably the best simulated aircraft out there. It's in a class of its own really, so should you buy it? Yes. The expansion is well worth it too, I fly a mix of the ER and LR.

 

Other than this the NGX is fantastic and if you fancy something different the Majestic Q400. Again top class and very different.

 

As for where to get it, personally I would just pay the little extra and buy it from the PMDG site, it'll probably save you hassle in the long run with updates and the like, and frankly (and this might not be popular) it's cheap at twice the price. I used to prefer boxed versions of software but now prefer instant downloads with a safe backup elsewhere.

 

Get it, you won't be disappointed.

 

Enjoy

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The flight model in FSX is never accurate in terms of how an aircraft handles. Most of us simmers would not really notice the difference in the PMDG 777 since most simmers here have probably never flown a real Boeing 777. PMDG modeled the Fly-By- Wire according to information that was provided to them which turned out to be wrong. All flight models are an approximate of how an aircraft would respond in the air given different conditions. FSX basically uses lookup tables to figure out how an aircraft would fly.   

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I know I'm a little late to this post, but I must say, the PMDG 777 is awesome. It's my goto for cargo hauling, with my VA online. I also enjoy the PMDG MD-11, though it's showing its age. I'm a cargo dog at heart, and both of these aircrafts allow me to haul heavy loads all over.

 

I've never known PMDG to have a sale. If you love flight simming, you will get your money's worth out of their aircraft. Ever since I've flown them, every other aircraft I try, falls short in comparison. Beautiful flight decks, awesome FMS interfaces, accurate systems... you won't regret it, if you're looking for realism in your flight simming.

 

Even though many people argue that the 777 is a long haul aircraft (which it is), I am not above loading her up about 60% cargo and a few thousand lbs. of fuel and making "short" 2 hour flights. Very versatile aircraft...

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Finest aircraft I have flown in a sim if you like airliners. So good I plan to buy the 737 eventually as well.

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Buy it and you will never regret it. This airplanes has all systems accurately modeled along with the 777's Fly-By-System accurately modeled. This is without a doubt the most realistic simulation you will every get for a complex airliner such as the Boeing 777. This product is licensed by Boeing so expect to be studying a lot when you buy it. It comes with over 3,000 pages of documentation. The key idea behind it is the enjoyment of learning. This is not an aircraft that you will just take up and mess around with in the air. 

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