Scott, while you and Ken explore, don't overlook this tidbit we found during a W10 solution search. http://superuser.com/questions/950997/disable-error-reporting-in-windows-10-home

The gist appeaars to be an inability to permantly disable W.E.R. on some systems.

Hi Ron,

 

    Thanks - I'll gladly take a look at the link but I don't have your plane anymore to test anything...

 

    *** Oh - I followed that instruction - via REGEDIT - when I disabled Error Reporting, DEP, and UAC - - - no joy...

 

Regards,
Scott

PM me Scott.

Thank you,

 

 I tried that with zero results.

 

 I suspect it is either my antivirus (although I tried disabling it) or a driver. 

LOL - I'm interested in the MilViz Lear 60 as well...

:wink:

 

Regards,

Scott

Aren't we all.

 

Ray

If you are used to flying aircraft with the systems replication standard of A2A and PMDG, then I am not sure any of the currently available business jets will satisfy you, certainly not those from Carenado, which, although providing great eye-candy, start to fall short on systems replication. As others have said however, adding the GTN750 (an excellent purchase in its own right as an addon to many FSX aircraft) can go much of the way towards addressing these issues in many Carenado products although not all.

 

Although I don't have the V2.0 version of the Eaglesoft Citation X, I had the V1 version which was very good in it's day, so it may well be that the improved V2.0 Citation X would provide the standard you require although I will leave advice on that to the opinion of those who own it.

 

If you are considering a turboprop GA aircraft then the exceptionally good Real Air Turbine Duke V.2 might be one to seriously consider, although the Flight 1 King Air B200, as others have said, is also excellent. I know it doesn't fall into the classification of either GA or Business Jet, but if you want something intermediate in size between the A2A Cessna 172 and I am assuming the PMDG jets, then the Majestic Q400, arguably the best turboprop airliner available for FSX, can be recommended without reservation.

 

Bill

You know Bill, I hear your statement about eye candy and falling short on systems replication and I fail to see that in any way shape or form. I have a good, broad collection of high end adds on from RealAir, A2A, Flight1, ESDG, Milviz, Lionheart, xtremeprototypes, and a few others and I find the Carenado Citations and their Phenom 300 hold their own and exceed some of these other developers talents. I know for sure the Carenado fde is better in many cases and I fail to see any lack of systems depth that keeps me from enjoying my flights and evaluations when comparing these models. I have written many of the recent reviews of the A2A, RealAir, Flight1, and Carenado models so I think I have a good, broad view of what is being offered.

 

The usual reason that Carenado does not receive any Avsim Gold Medal recommendations from my reviews and the others do is their lack of documentation, flight manual, and tutorial flights, not the physical model or lack of systems depth. Sure there are some bugs here and there but nothing that keeps them from flying or getting fixed.

 

I am also am MEL/instrument rated commercial pilot with type ratings and a little over 5,000 logged hours so I kinda have an idea of what to look for in these flightsim add ons.

 

I just thought the readers might like a second opinion.

 

So, to be crystal clear. Your first paragraph does not apply to me or most of my friends.

 

Best Regards,

 

Ray

Thank you,

 

 I tried that with zero results.

 

 I suspect it is either my antivirus (although I tried disabling it) or a driver.

Interesting Ken, are you thinking audio driver or..?

I am late to this thread but I want to add my opinion.

 

I have flown the ESDG Citation X 1.0 in FS9 and the Citation X 2.0 in FS9, FSX and now PD3V3. Even though it is older, it is still the best and fastest Corporate Jet on the market. There is a learning curve but if you have been flying PMDG Boeings, you will pick it up quick. The HD VC in PD3V3 is absolutely fantastic. It is crisp and fully functional. I have the Carenado Phenom 300 with the GTN 750 mod. It is fun but it's systems are not on a level with the Citation X 2.0. Rob Young did the FDE and it hand flies exceptionally well.

 

The Flight 1 B200 King Air is also extremely well done with a depth of systems and a excellent FDE. Because of its complexity the performance hit is about the same as the PMDG 737 NGX. I also have the early purchase Milviz 350i King Air. When it is done, this will be exceptional as well.

 

I recommend both the ESDG Citation X and the Flight 1 B200 King Air without reservation. They are my go to Corporate Jet and Turbo Prop as the PMDG B737 NGX is my go to airliner.

 

Greg 

I am late to this thread but I want to add my opinion.

 

I have flown the ESDG Citation X 1.0 in FS9 and the Citation X 2.0 in FS9, FSX and now PD3V3. Even though it is older, it is still the best and fastest Corporate Jet on the market. There is a learning curve but if you have been flying PMDG Boeings, you will pick it up quick. The HD VC in PD3V3 is absolutely fantastic. It is crisp and fully functional. I have the Carenado Phenom 300 with the GTN 750 mod. It is fun but it's systems are not on a level with the Citation X 2.0. Rob Young did the FDE and it hand flies exceptionally well.

 

The Flight 1 B200 King Air is also extremely well done with a depth of systems and a excellent FDE. Because of its complexity the performance hit is about the same as the PMDG 737 NGX. I also have the early purchase Milviz 350i King Air. When it is done, this will be exceptional as well.

 

I recommend both the ESDG Citation X and the Flight 1 B200 King Air without reservation. They are my go to Corporate Jet and Turbo Prop as the PMDG B737 NGX is my go to airliner.

 

Greg

Hello Gregg,

 

You are not too late but the original question was for recommendations for "new Jet". Lots of water has flowed under the bridge since the X was king and now we like WAAS and LPV approaches and modern avionics and high end textures in the cockpit.

 

I too have all those planes you like and recommend and I wrote Avsim reviews on all of them, except for the Milviz 350i (which is not completed) and I agree they are very fine airplanes with plenty of systems depth but the OP is asking for recommendations for a 'New Jet" not an old jet or a turboprop. I recommended the V2.0 Extreme X, I recommended the F1 KA200 and I recommended the F1 Mustang, all for the Avsim Gold Star, but we now have some new blood and they are being enjoyed by many of us.

 

It seems that every time someone asks for a recommendation for any type of biz jet, the STP arrives and ends up hijacking the thread and promoting their shop and backhandly badmouthing Carenado. Not in every case but about 99% of the time. Oh, the STP is the Same Three People. (one is running late but I expect him any minute)

 

Please folks give us a break. It is almost like there is a pecking order of the ones that show up to brag about the ones from the old school and kick sand in the face of the competition.

 

Regards,

 

Ray

Hi Ray

 

It was not my intention to kick sand in Carenado's face. I also own and enjoy a lot of Carenado's aircraft. I really like and respect your reviews. No hard feelings I hope.

 

Greg

Hi Ray

 

It was not my intention to kick sand in Carenado's face. I also own and enjoy a lot of Carenado's aircraft. I really like and respect your reviews. No hard feelings I hope.

 

Greg

Thanks. No, absolutely no hard feelings at all. I appreciate your understanding that we all have limits an mine is threadbare this morning. Have a nice day.

 

Best Regards,

Ray

Hi 

 

I just purchased Carenado 525A CJ2 for FSX/P3D and I don't see option to add the F1GTN750.

 

I have purchased that before for the RealAir Duke and you are right its. is joy to use..

 

I am curious where is it mentioned to able to configure GTN750. I love it.

 

Thank you

 

Bill Hagag

Hi 

 

I just purchased Carenado 525A CJ2 for FSX/P3D and I don't see option to add the F1GTN750.

 

I have purchased that before for the RealAir Duke and you are right its. is joy to use..

 

I am curious where is it mentioned to able to configure GTN750. I love it.

 

Thank you

 

Bill Hagag

Carenado does not offer a config or an option. This is after factory mods provided by of Ray & Bert.

 

See:

 

http://www.avsim.com/topic/485862-those-users-without-the-hawker-can-now-have-the-f1gtn-in-the-cj2/

 

http://www.avsim.com/topic/485726-there-is-hope-for-getting-the-gtn750-working-in-the-vc/

You know Bill, I hear your statement about eye candy and falling short on systems replication and I fail to see that in any way shape or form. 

 

 

So you cannot see that the FLC mode never works correctly ?

So you cannot see that the FLC mode never works correctly ?

FLC works most of the time for those that operate it correct - meaning by book. Most of the flightsimmers expect an autothrottle that does not exist on the smaller and older Citations so if you add thrust to engage the FLC it tends to work for climbs, Just the opposite for descents with FLC, one has to retard the thrust levers. I think the misunderstanding is because the developer does not have documentation to explain basic operation of pushing a button at the proper airspeed or dialing in the chosen airspeed for the climb or descent and then adjusting thrust accordingly.

 

Another factor is that we have all these self appointed designers that jump into the aircraft.cfg file and start adding and changing the system parameters (mostly I hear - heck I learned this back in the FS9 days or FS98 or whatever - worked on the freeware super cub) many more than one would expect of these self appointed flight gurus and then they go post their new FIXES and whatta know, the FLC is broken and 'never' works as you state.

 

But, there are lots of things I can't see, I blame it on old, tired eyes rather than the developer.

 

Regards,

 

Ray

The Flight1 Mustang is visually appealing and their systems and G1000 implementation is accurate, though heavy on frames.

The Carenado business jets (Hawker, CJ2) are visually stunning and that's probably an understatement... but their systems are extremely lite (total reliance on default sim behaviors) and their avionics is not very accurate as compared to the real-world stuff. There are autopilot issues as well, though for some it is not important.

The current Eaglesoft offerings are not new releases, but they are probably new to you, which no one even considered. LOL

 

Speculation regarding future products is just that, speculation and of course... you can't fly that!

 

In the end, it is up to you to decide what you're looking for and what is important to you. No one else can decide that.

FLC works most of the time for those that operate it correct - meaning by book.

I disagree with this statement, completely. It misrepresents the fact that FLC rarely captures the altitude correctly unless you do some other autopilot things that are not by the book. A perusal of the Carenado forums here for the Hawker and the CJ2 will attest to that. Most end up using the VS function of the autopilot simply because they can't rely in the FLC to work correctly.