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Cost to convert to Prepar3d - An important consideration

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After researching the benefits of Prepar3d I decided to purchase and convert.  In the research I did do, there were discussions about how well add-ons performed etc and most indications were that the add-ons performed well but for whatever reason, in all of the reviews I read, I never caught the point that for a growing number of add-ons the publishers are making the business decision to require a complete repurchase of their product to use in Prepar3d.  Here's the breakdown for the products I use the most:

 

PMDG NXG 737 - $89.99

PMDG 777 -       $134.99

A2A Cessna 182 Skylane - $49.99

Flight 1 FTN 750    $ 64.95

Real Air Turbine Duke - $0.00 (no need to repurchase for use in Prepar3d)

Prepar3D - $59.95

 

So the total cost for me to convert and retain the same capabilities as I currently have in FSX is $399.87.  I really like Prepar3D but now that I am retired and on a fixed income budget this is much to rich for my blood so I will not be converting after all.  To their credit, Lockheed Martin has a 60 day refund policy and I am in the process of requesting a refund on my purchased Prepar3D.

 

I think this is a critical consideration that has been lost in many of the conversations and discussions about converting to Prepar3D so I offer it here for those considering converting.

 

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No one forces you to buy those products all at once. The sum total remains as you calculated, but where is the problem in stretching this over half a year?

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It would have cost you even more if you had taken the more appropriate Pro license as an example. But then again, it's nothing new. Going from FS9 to FSX also came at a cost, as did all previous versions. Perhaps the cost was less because some developers (like PMDG) are asking more and more for their products but it was ever free to progress or stay up to date in the flight sim world. Things will be even worse with the upcoming Dovetail sim, I am sure.

 

But indeed, as Karsten posted, no one is forcing you to buy all those addons at once. Or ever, I might add. Some people decide to skip products of certain developers or some only, very wisely, only buy the ones they actually use or really, really like. You can't always have everything. Unlike some people seem to think. Which btw isn't directed at the OP who clearly is wise enough to draw a line somewhere.

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Suggest buying P3d, and next time you're buying an add on choose the p3d version. That means slowly over time you'll transition. You don't need to give up fsx when you buy p3d - you can still use your ngx etc with that.

 

P3d is just going to keep improving - are you really going to stay with fsx forever?

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Vendors who support multiple sims with a single product/installer earn preferential consideration from this simmer.

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Suggest buying P3d, and next time you're buying an add on choose the p3d version. That means slowly over time you'll transition. You don't need to give up fsx when you buy p3d - you can still use your ngx etc with that.

 

I think this is sound advice!  I'm a long time FSX guy and have the same dilemma with the want to move on to Prepar3D but the process and the $$$ hit is causing me to hesitate.  Instead, I'm going to purchase another SD (prices keep dropping) for Prepar3D and slowly purchase add-ons that are dual compatible.  Obviously, not all will be but by having both sims I can still play FSX when I want to dig deep into the hangar.  In the end, it seems pretty smart to move over to Prepar as FSX is an orphan at this point.  Indeed, lots of people will feed him but he still doesn't have a home :Shame On You:  Things aren't going to turn out well for him...

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So the total cost for me to convert and retain the same capabilities as I currently have in FSX is $399.87. I really like Prepar3D but now that I am retired and on a fixed income budget this is much to rich for my blood so I will not be converting after all. To their credit, Lockheed Martin has a 60 day refund policy and I am in the process of requesting a refund on my purchased Prepar3D.

I think this is a critical consideration that has been lost in many of the conversations and discussions about converting to Prepar3D so I offer it here for those considering converting.

 

Yeah, that's true.  Devs doing that are forcing people to stay on older platforms...which, while they see it as an opportunity, also costs them and other devs more money for supporting more people on the old platform...multiple installers, multiple versions of their product.  Nothing we can much do about it.

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Well, you certainly don't need 4 planes (+ all the versions in the PMDG pack) out of the gate. Converting doesn't have to happen all at once. Buy a P3D license, perhaps pick up a plane. Play it enjoy it, wait until next pay day. Then in a few months, you'll be on the P3D wagon.

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Yes, the costs of upgrading can be a pain, but look at it as the cost of progress! I just wouldn't be able to get my head around flying a sim like fsx anymore, knowing that there is an evolving platform like p3d available. But that's just me, and I guess budget concerns must come first in certain circumstances. If fsx still serves you well, then stick with it!

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My expenses to switch to P3D were considerably lower. I decided to abandon all PMDG and FlightsimLab planes that I used in FSX, even though they used to be among my favourite planes. I'm just not willing to pay twice for the same set of bytes. I only re-purchased the A2A C172 when it was on sale. With this policy, you can reduce the cost of your example from $399.87 to a much more friendly $155. 

 

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My expenses to switch to P3D were considerably lower. I decided to abandon all PMDG and FlightsimLab planes that I used in FSX, even though they used to be among my favourite planes. I'm just not willing to pay twice for the same set of bytes. I only re-purchased the A2A C172 when it was on sale. With this policy, you can reduce the cost of your example from $399.87 to a much more friendly $155.

Peter

 

I followed a similar path...got rid of the J41 and 737.  I bought the 777 later but I'm pretty much of the same mind about airplanes I had.  I'm not going to pay the full price and certainly not more for something I had. 

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You can always keep your PMDG planes in FSX and use them there and not buy them for P3D.

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Yes, I have found this as well.  Which is why I am currently NOT buying any products that require a separate P3D purchase.  I just don't have that kind of money.  My P3D v3.3 is just a nice clean install with all my addons that allow to be ported without buying new product licenses.

 

My list of real life needs is fairly high and I can just use my FSX.

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Well, I just reinstalled fsx after my last post, and flew it for the first time in a couple of years (I needed it to run an airport tool that's not p3d compatible).

 

Reminded me of just how much progress p3d had made - you sometimes forget - because each iteration just changes a little - just how far it's come.

 

Advice: spend money on the base P3D, fly it, be happy - and worry about the adding costs some other time! :)

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All interesting responses but this is a very simple consumer decision.   Don't get my wrong, I am not bashing these businesses.  They are well within their rights to charge whatever they wish for their products.

 

I have repeatedly been flying a scenario in FSX and then flying the same scenario on Prepar3d and each time asking myself, are the benefits, the improved graphics, increase in stability (but lower frame rates) worth the eventual $400 I would have to pay to get back to where I am in FSX.   I'm sure some here will answer with a resounding yes.   Personally, I don't think so.  I don't see the additional $400 in value but if these vendors can convince enough people that the value is there...more power to them.

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Ron,

 

I get where you're coming from but, no, this has been a solid constant discussion on Avsim for at least 3-4 years. P3D was released in 2011. You're just coming in after all of the majors have created compatible products for P3D. However, with the SDK changes in P3D3.3 (deprecating fsx2002 bgl apis, it sounds like) you're going to see even more of this discussion. If devs have to update products (mostly scenery?) we will likely have to re-purchase (some) products, if devs decide to update incompatible products. Unfortunately, the LM moving target that is the P3D api, while (hopefully) creating amazing new features, will create issues with older products. The price of our  hobby and its progress I guess. As a software engineer (who also manages), I can tell you: development ain't cheap!

 

"in all of the reviews I read, I never caught the point that for a growing number of add-ons the publishers are making the business decision to require a complete repurchase of their product to use in Prepar3d. 

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I think this is a critical consideration that has been lost in many of the conversations and discussions about converting to Prepar3D so I offer it here for those considering converting."

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Ron,

 

I get where you're coming from but, no, this has been a solid constant discussion on Avsim for at least 3-4 years. P3D was released in 2011. You're just coming in after all of the majors have created compatible products for P3D. However, with the SDK changes in P3D3.3 (deprecating fsx2002 bgl apis, it sounds like) you're going to see even more of this discussion. If devs have to update products (mostly scenery?) we will likely have to re-purchase (some) products, if devs decide to update incompatible products. Unfortunately, the LM moving target that is the P3D api, while (hopefully) creating amazing new features, will create issues with older products. The price of our  hobby and its progress I guess. As a software engineer (who also manages), I can tell you: development ain't cheap!

 

Assuming that the developers are still around, they may decide not to support this platform at all. The market for P3D addons is very small, but the workload to develop for it is just the same as for the mainstream FSX, XPX and probably DTGFS too. A lot of development teams are small, more often than not working part time on their projects. They just don't have the time nor resources to keep shooting at moving targets. Even a "real" full-time company will have to think very hard about this, having to ditch portions of their code every few months equals money lost, so it is not really an option. Considering that the development cycles for complex addons span years, we might be looking at an overall decline in high quality addons for P3D. From the point of view of risk management, the P3D platform even today is not very attractive to start complex projects for it.

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I thought Prepar3d was $199....?

Nope. Starts at $60 $199 for the pro version. There are licence considerations as to which one to choose. I'm pretty sure the growth in P3D in recent times is not from those who are in the $199 and up category.

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Ok, I thought the $60 version was for students. I seem to remember the OP, plus the majority of us here I guess, are no longer students.....

What is the deal, then?

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Ok, I thought the $60 version was for students. I seem to remember the OP, plus the majority of us here I guess, are no longer students.....

What is the deal, then?

 

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Ok, I thought the $60 version was for students. I seem to remember the OP, plus the majority of us here I guess, are no longer students.....

What is the deal, then?

 

 

The deal is that this may not be discussed on this forum. :wink: You are correct in your assumption that the $ 60 is for students, and so I own the Pro license, but it is up to everyone themselves to decide if they are a student or not... Further talk about this is prohibited so let's leave it at this.

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The deal is that this may not be discussed on this forum. :wink: You are correct in your assumption that the $ 60 is for students.

End of discussion as far as I am concerned....

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