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AS 16 + ASCA First Impressions

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Just finished a flight using AS 16 plus ASCA in P3D.  As a matter of reference, I used to have ASN and Rex 4 with Soft Clouds installed.  Installation was simple for both AS 16 and ASCA.  Make sure to set your theme to global dynamic in ASCA if you want to have automatically changing weather textures.

 

Fortunately I happened to fly from partly cloudy to full overcast conditions, with some rain in between.  The clouds themselves are quite nice, and I would say even nicer than Rex.  Maybe that's the result of using AS16 plus ASCA together, but regardless, I was happy with the result.  The cloud layering looked fantastic.  Frame rates were as good if not better than before.

 

The only negative is the cloud motion effect.  It seems to activate as you get near a cloud versus being in it as I would expect.  It also doesn't "wash over" the plane.  It's just a front and partial side effect.  I've disabled it for now.

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Thanks for your quick first impressions..

Any further observations appreciated..

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Thanks for the kind words Gilandred, I am sure the dev's will be happy to read your post.  There were countless number of hours that went into the development and testing of both apps.  Both the FSX versions and Prepar3D versions had to be tailored for each sim.  The requirements for Prepar3D have changed since FSX days.  For yourself and all users be sure that you install a texture set first before using the dynamic weather functions.

 

Happy flying!

 

Robert

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Thanks for your quick first impressions..

Any further observations appreciated..

 

One other thing is that the clouds and atmosphere seemed appropriately darker for the conditions (overcast) that I was experiencing.  The weather transitions also seemed to go smoothly.  I haven't done a dusk flight yet (always my favorite time) so I can't comment on the sky colors yet. 

Thanks for the kind words Gilandred, I am sure the dev's will be happy to read your post.  There were countless number of hours that went into the development and testing of both apps.  Both the FSX versions and Prepar3D versions had to be tailored for each sim.  The requirements for Prepar3D have changed since FSX days.  For yourself and all users be sure that you install a texture set first before using the dynamic weather functions.

 

Happy flying!

 

Robert

 

Interesting.  The part about selecting a theme first before activating global dynamic wasn't clear to me, or I overlooked it.  Does the global dynamic only choose from the selected theme, or does it choose from any and all of them depending on the weather conditions?

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Thanks for you quick response Gilandred, -

Lighting is enhanced in P3D however I am more likely to be purchasing the FSX version (probably).

I do have a reservation however. I note you have made only two posts. Thank you for contributing to the forum, but I have to say for me this is kinda a red flag so please forgive my comment - but you can see why the community might take your initial first impressions with a little caution.

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So setting it up now and have a question I didn't see mentioned as I skimmed through the manual quickly, it might have been there:

 

To get the full dynamic or Global automatic themes to update with AS16, does the ASCA program need to stay running?

 

Thanks!  Look forward to trying this.

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Thanks for asking that question, Allen. Waiting the answer too...

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I do have a reservation however. I note you have made only two posts. Thank you for contributing to the forum, but I have to say for me this is kinda a red flag so please forgive my comment - but you can see why the community might take your initial first impressions with a little caution.

 

Gotta start somewhere:)

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To get the full dynamic or Global automatic themes to update with AS16, does the ASCA program need to stay running?

Yes. When you start AS16 it will start ASCA, and shut it down when you exit AS16. ASCA does not need to be running if you are not using dynamic modes.

 

Vic

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Yes. When you start AS16 it will start ASCA, and shut it down when you exit AS16. ASCA does not need to be running if you are not using dynamic modes.

 

Vic

 

Vic do you know why I keep getting this message my cloud density is not at maximum - I am thinking it refers to P3D setting turned that up to maximum but still get a message every time I start P3D - any ideas on how to get rid of that message shut a lot of message stuff off in AS16 but still persists - thanks 

 

At first glance seems to be better than ASN but cant put my finger on it

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Interesting.  The part about selecting a theme first before activating global dynamic wasn't clear to me, or I overlooked it.  Does the global dynamic only choose from the selected theme, or does it choose from any and all of them depending on the weather conditions?

 

ASCA chooses from all the textures that are available in its library and not a theme per se.  Themes are preset for users to get a feel for what a variation is capable of doing.  In dynamic mode AS16 and ASCA work together to give the user the best representation possible of what the sky conditions and weather may look like.  Of course the weather is based on reported METARS from providers around the globe so weather could be hit and miss at the same time.  The best possible scenario would be for a user like yourself to load a flightplan.  Based on that the weather will be depicted based on what AS16 (like ASN before) pulls together or "interpolates" to give you a better overall look and feel.

 

Vic do you know why I keep getting this message my cloud density is not at maximum - I am thinking it refers to P3D setting turned that up to maximum but still get a message every time I start P3D - any ideas on how to get rid of that message shut a lot of message stuff off in AS16 but still persists

 

Hi Rich, 

 

That is the "Cloud coverage density" which should be set to "Maximum" on the Prepar3D Settings-Weather page.

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Looking forward to hearing more on these new products from people. ASN is still, in my opinion, one of the best addons ever created for flight sim. I've been very happy with it for many years, so hoping the same for as2016!

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Vic do you know why I keep getting this message my cloud density is not at maximum - I am thinking it refers to P3D setting turned that up to maximum but still get a message every time I start P3D - any ideas on how to get rid of that message shut a lot of message stuff off in AS16 but still persists - thanks 

 

At first glance seems to be better than ASN but cant put my finger on it

 

 

I had the same problem Rich and I had to set it to max in p3d and restart the sim and that message went away

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Hi Rich, 

 

That is the "Cloud coverage density" which should be set to "Maximum" on the Prepar3D Settings-Weather page.

 

Thanks maybe it didnt take before getting out of sim so you are saying it has to be at max all the time not to get this message that seems odd to me ? thank you

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Just did a couple quick flights myself and my initial reaction is.....wow!  Descending into a solid overcast in the NGX with the cloud motion effect was really neat.  I then found an airport with Thunderstorm activity and slewed a GA plane up to 30k to view the nice CB clouds....which went went way above me!!  Haven't seen that...ever!  Look forward to doing a full NGX flight with dynamic changes.  FPS were as good if not better than before! 

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My gosh...

 

Very expensive. Even with the discount for owning ASN. Prohibitively expensive to run both FSX and P3D.

 

The screenshots I've seen so far look pretty darn good and I'm very sure that the developers put a lot of effort into it, but the pricing ensures that regretfully, I'm not able to be a customer.

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Even with the "Cloud Density" in P3D not set to maximum, and with Max distance set to not more than 80NM I get more than good results.

 

I'm on an old i5 2500, and I run another sim at the same time, all in the same PC, so, I have to be parsimonious regarding graphic settings, but still I do get better performnace than I did with ASN, and for sure much better effects - graphical and "physical"...

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Hello,

 

can be used

AS 16 + ASCA in a networked configuration where FSX/P3D runs on a different computer ?

Pls. adv.

 

Thanks

 

Ralf

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Yes, it can and works flawlessly.

 

I had that setup, with AS16 and ASCA running on a laptop, and my i5 desktop running P3Dv3 and PSX + PSXAloft which injects AS16 higher level winds and temps into PSX ( only above FL200 )... Works great!

 

The Manual thoroughly explains how to set it up.

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So can someone who bought it tell me if the clouds (especially overcast) goes all the way into the distance at high altitude? Does it cover all your surroundings? This is one thing i couldn't get since newer versions of P3D.

 

 

Thank you

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Ok, so I'm not seeing any "review" comments.  Mostly just minor likes/dislikes (price mostly).  Overall, how is it comparing to the ASN REX combo?  I expected more people to be posting about it.  I am looking forward to the new features and overall enhancements.  I would like the cloud effect to be good, but some are making it sound buggy.  And, another issue I have had with ASN is the winds aloft.  My FP will almost always undershoot the average speed by 40-50%.  How about turbulence and the look of clouds?  Transitions?  Or that ridiculous popping or flickering around mountains>?

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Does anyone know if AS16+ASCA in dynamic mode can be run over the network? I'm running ASN on a second computer as this is by far the best way to get rid of stutters in P3D. Don't want to move the weather engine back on the primary sim PC...

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Does anyone know if AS16+ASCA in dynamic mode can be run over the network? I'm running ASN on a second computer as this is by far the best way to get rid of stutters in P3D. Don't want to move the weather engine back on the primary sim PC...

 

The reply on HiFi forums is yes, but AS16 and ASCA must be on the same PC, so both on second computer.

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The reply on HiFi forums is yes, but AS16 and ASCA must be on the same PC, so both on second computer.

 

Thanks Chris!

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Overall, how is it comparing to the ASN REX combo?

 

Very limited testing so far but I'm coming from ASN and Rex Soft Clouds. Using AS16 and ASCA for the first time I did see a difference in the way the clouds looked. Fluffy white clouds (IMHO) looked a bit cartoony with ASCA compared to Rex Soft Clouds. That said, full overcast was finally full overcast which I struggled to get with Rex - I think this was because the correct texture set was being loaded dynamically so you end up with a better depiction. Loading up the exact weather for where I am now produced ok results - I'm not sure we'll ever get the looking out of the window and seeing the same in sim effect. The cumulonimbus clouds around here right now were depicted but again, against the blue sky did look a bit cartoony compared to the REX Soft Clouds. They did tower up massively though which I haven't seen before.

 

If Rex Skyforce can dynamically load in with AS16 I have a feeling that could be an ideal combo. These are just my initial thoughts and only in a couple of locations. Overcast is good, fluffy clouds not so much in my opinion (compared to Rex). Love the dynamic loading though.

 

James 

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