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All,

 

I'm trying to decide which plane to get from the CS sale, the L1011, or 737?

 

My friend says if I get the 737, to get the -100 expansion pack, and if I get the L1011, just buy the base.

 

Any suggestions?

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I'm not going to be of any help. I have both and really like them. I guess, if pushed, ZI'd go with the L1011 simply because I like the looks better.

 

 

Vic

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They're both good, so if you can't get both, then I'd ask yourself how long is the average flight you like to make?

 

The 737 is good for short and medium hops, and in particular, the original 100 Series 737 was conceived as kind of a 'modern DC-3', in that it was intended to be a 'fill the tanks and make a lot of short hops to poorly equipped airports where it might not even be able to refuel'. It could do without much in the way of ground services because of its built-in airstairs, although the 200 series soon came along to give it a bit more flexibility. Note that the 737 can be equipped with a rough field deflector plate on the landing gear too to prevent FOD, so it really is something which can realistically get onto and off ropey runway surfaces at less fancy airports.

 

Historically, the 737 was the first jet airliner designed from the outset to have a crew of only two, although owing to US pilot union protestations (principally from United Airlines pilots, who claimed it was unsafe to not have a flight engineer), it often flew with a crew of three (this being the case until Lufthansa did a bunch of proving flights with it using only two pilots and demonstrated that it was safe to do so). As a flight simmer, it's worth bearing in mind that because of that intentional design to be operated by only two pilots, for an old-style airliner (i.e. without an FMC), the workload for a lone flight simmer is not anywhere near as high as it will be for the L1011, which was always designed to have a crew of three. Basically, if you can fly a Cessna 172 well enough IFR, you could pretty much jump in and fly a 737-100 without too much difficulty, at least in terms of CRM, if not in terms of landing it properly.

 

The L1011 Tristar typically made flights of 1,000 miles minimum in its heyday, so if you prefer long-haul simming, it'll be more up your street, and speaking of streets, the L1011, needs a fairly long street to get in and out of, particularly at high landing and take off weights, so unlike the 737, it can't get into and out of smaller airports. Minimum runway length for landing the L1011 is between 6,300 and 6,800 ft (depending on the variant), whereas the good old 737-200 can get down onto about 5,500 feet, even less in more favourable conditions, and probably a lot less if you really stand on the brakes and let everything hang out to slow it down lol, notwithstanding the fact that you can really abuse that sort of thing in FS and land in much shorter distances with most FS airliners.

 

Note too that there is a freeby demo of the Captain Sim 737 available, which might help you decide. If you like old bangers and VOR-to-VOR/INS navigation, you can't go wrong with either of them really, but if you like more sophistication, then the L-1011 is more likely to float your boat, because the early 737 is not exactly replete with sophisticated avionics, which actually was its strong point, in the real world of operations. It's not the best selling airliner of all time for nothing.

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Not a whole lot is 10 bux.

It's $10 OFF isn't it? I nearly sprung for a 737 at $10 and I hate airliners. OK, not hate, but they're not my thing.

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Both among the best of the CS aircraft.  I think the 1011 is superior to the JF, so if long-haul tri-jets are your thing you'll be happy (note: No FMC, just CIVA or FSX-flightplan navigation).  The CS and Milviz 737's are high quality and neck & neck, so again it comes down to your preferences - short haul/short runways, you'll want the 737.

 

For $10 apiece - I'd make the leap for both. I wondered if we'd see the CS sale again.


"It's $10 OFF isn't it?" Nope, $10 for the base aircraft.  Expansions add to the cost, but you really can't go wrong at these prices

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All,

 

I'm trying to decide which plane to get from the CS sale, the L1011, or 737?

 

My friend says if I get the 737, to get the -100 expansion pack, and if I get the L1011, just buy the base.

 

Any suggestions?

Here is my suggestion. The sale comes but once a year. If you can spare $20 get both. They are both really good and fun to fly.

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Not a whole lot is 10 bux.

The sale hasn't started yet.

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Hi folks.

I have the B737-200 base pack and the -200 ADV and have to say they're quite good, both inside and outside the cockpit. Looking to purchase the -200F (freighter and converted to freight models) during the sale!.

Highly recommended.

Cheers, Ed

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Actually, if you haven't got them and you like old bangers, their 727 and 707 are really good too by the way. In particular the good old 'lead sled' is great fun to drive across the Atlantic. So named because it doesn't have a hydraulically assisted rudder, thus 707 pilots ended up with thigh muscles like Arnie Schwarzenegger lol. Not something you have to worry about on the sim version. :-)

 

Given their propensity for expansions, it's just a shame CS never made a 720 variant add-on for their 707, would have bought that in a heartbeat.

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I think the L1011 is the better overall product, but they're both really fun aircraft.  I enjoy the 727 most of all tough.

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L1011 and 727 are great. I will be buying both in P3d versions.

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727 are great. I will be buying both in P3d versions.

 

The 727 is quite an historic aircraft. A must have!. I have it in all variants (passenger, both basic and ADV versions, plus the freighter version) and you'll notice is very stable in flight.

Cheers, Ed

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When is the sale? I just went there put it in my cart and it was $34

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For all wondering, the sale starts on the 11th of January.

 

I'm probably going to just get both 737 and L1011, because like what Mike said, only $10 each per year :)

 

I'm noot experienced at all in the old route programming though. What is the navigation like on them? Default P3D planning?

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I'm noot experienced at all in the old route programming though. What is the navigation like on them? Default P3D planning?

 

On the 737, is VOR-to-VOR navigation, using P3D default navigation database. You can also use the P3D's default flight planner. I suppose the L1011 is the same.

Cheers, Ed

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How does their 737 compare to the Milviz one?  Trying to get a handle on overall quality, putting aside price just for the sake of this comparison (though price is obviously a factor, at least this Wednesday...)

 

EDIT: Sorry, reading too quickly, missed flibinite's post about Milviz v Captain Sim (says the 737s are "neck and neck.")  Any particular advantages one way or the other?  Or is it purely a dead heat?

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The Milviz one and the Captain Sim ones are, as noted, pretty much neck and neck, so it comes down to things like which paint job and variants and specific models do you like that are included in each package, and of course, which one is available at a bargain price. Actually, the Black Box Sims 737 from Just Flight is pretty good too and has many expansions which include more unusual 737s such as a T-43 'Gator variant. 

 

As far as navigation is concerned, the 737 is pretty much a case of VOR-to-VOR along airways, whereas the L-1011 typically used a Delco Carousel INS system (which is a bit like a very early version of an FMC CDU, but looks more like it belongs in Apollo 11 than an airliner cockpit). Unlike a modern FMC, the Carousel however, it uses a series of Lat and Long co-ordinates which you have to type in, these are then slaved to the autopilot, it navigates through them in sequence, which of course it would have to do since there are no VORs in the middle of the Atlantic lol. Takes a bit of getting used to to use the Delco, but there are plenty of tutorials on it and its quite rewarding to suss it out. You can add a Carousel gauge to the 737 though, there are some freeware ones out there.

 

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 ... so it comes down to things like which paint job and variants and specific models do you like that are included in each package, and of course, which one is available at a bargain price. ...

... and to support I would dare to say.

 

Things have been very calm at Captain Sim lately (for a year or so I guess). The last update on their website dates from February '16. They just refreshed their web site's layout; but regarding development, bug fixing, new models or P3D support for their 767 for example ... nada ...

 

Anyone who knows more?

 

Cheers

Frank

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Can anyone tell me what the TriStar (I much prefer this name to "L1011") is like to hand fly? Is it nice and stable in turns etc?

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Can anyone tell me what the TriStar (I much prefer this name to "L1011") is like to hand fly? Is it nice and stable in turns etc?

The Tristar is a superb simulation, one of my favourites. Everything works! Fly it on VOR/INS CIVA/ or even with the GTN 750 (Hdg mode follows the GTN GPS lateral navigation!)

 

Hand flown a sheer delight. CWS is nicely modelled too and don't forget the CLS spoiler landing simulated as well.....Underrated simulation of a great aircraft!

 

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL7227316D8D4AAA3E&v=XM6sDOkRa6k

 

 

If its in the sale I say grab it!

 

Regards

 

David

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L1011 feels very heavy in flight (as I guess it should), and hand flies very smooth.  very well done imo.   Just a note above that the 727 and 737 can be fitted with an FMC if you use the the free vasFMC or a purchased one.  I have not flown these for a while as I mostly use P3D but it is possible.

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Last year I bought them all and all the versions but found I like the 777 best out of the lot. 

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I just received the email, it should be live now. I'll grab the 737 even though it's just a simulator check (i installed the FSX version and it works perfectly).

 

The 1011 i bought it in their last sale, i can say it's the only product that's really worth it from CS.

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They're both good, so if you can't get both, then I'd ask yourself how long is the average flight you like to make?

 

The 737 is good for short and medium hops, and in particular, the original 100 Series 737 was conceived as kind of a 'modern DC-3', in that it was intended to be a 'fill the tanks and make a lot of short hops to poorly equipped airports where it might not even be able to refuel'. It could do without much in the way of ground services because of its built-in airstairs, although the 200 series soon came along to give it a bit more flexibility. Note that the 737 can be equipped with a rough field deflector plate on the landing gear too to prevent FOD, so it really is something which can realistically get onto and off ropey runway surfaces at less fancy airports.

 

Historically, the 737 was the first jet airliner designed from the outset to have a crew of only two, although owing to US pilot union protestations (principally from United Airlines pilots, who claimed it was unsafe to not have a flight engineer), it often flew with a crew of three (this being the case until Lufthansa did a bunch of proving flights with it using only two pilots and demonstrated that it was safe to do so). As a flight simmer, it's worth bearing in mind that because of that intentional design to be operated by only two pilots, for an old-style airliner (i.e. without an FMC), the workload for a lone flight simmer is not anywhere near as high as it will be for the L1011, which was always designed to have a crew of three. Basically, if you can fly a Cessna 172 well enough IFR, you could pretty much jump in and fly a 737-100 without too much difficulty, at least in terms of CRM, if not in terms of landing it properly.

 

The L1011 Tristar typically made flights of 1,000 miles minimum in its heyday, so if you prefer long-haul simming, it'll be more up your street, and speaking of streets, the L1011, needs a fairly long street to get in and out of, particularly at high landing and take off weights, so unlike the 737, it can't get into and out of smaller airports. Minimum runway length for landing the L1011 is between 6,300 and 6,800 ft (depending on the variant), whereas the good old 737-200 can get down onto about 5,500 feet, even less in more favourable conditions, and probably a lot less if you really stand on the brakes and let everything hang out to slow it down lol, notwithstanding the fact that you can really abuse that sort of thing in FS and land in much shorter distances with most FS airliners.

 

Note too that there is a freeby demo of the Captain Sim 737 available, which might help you decide. If you like old bangers and VOR-to-VOR/INS navigation, you can't go wrong with either of them really, but if you like more sophistication, then the L-1011 is more likely to float your boat, because the early 737 is not exactly replete with sophisticated avionics, which actually was its strong point, in the real world of operations. It's not the best selling airliner of all time for nothing.

The 737 is a great aircraft no doubts, I find the engines very powerful I got a tendency to go into over speed a lot lol

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