I have both UK2000 Xtreme and Aerosoft versions of Heathrow, and the UK2000 version runs better (and further from VAS issues) than the Aerosoft one. I do like the extra detail in the Aerosoft version (and the extended scenery surrounding the airport), but Gary's version has much better runway and taxiway lighting.

 

I do not have a problem with framerates at UK2000 Heathrow Xtreme or UK2000 London City Xtreme. The lower framerates in the London City area are due to having Aerosoft London X installed (at maximum detail levels).

 

I run P3D v3.3.5 at 1920x1080 resolution with 4x SGSS enabled. Any less than this, and I get unacceptable levels of shimmering textures. Framerates are good enough for me with clear skies (this is a compromise that I am prepar3d to accept).

I have both UK2000 Xtreme and Aerosoft versions of Heathrow, and the UK2000 version runs better (and further from VAS issues) than the Aerosoft one. I do like the extra detail in the Aerosoft version (and the extended scenery surrounding the airport), but Gary's version has much better runway and taxiway lighting.

 

It's ok here with little traffic, the differences come with realistic amounts of traffic for the area.

 

The lower framerates in the London City area are due to having Aerosoft London X installed (at maximum detail levels).

 

 

I don't really have lower frame rates at or near EGLC -- they are higher (in fact, at my limit of 30) than at EGLL. And I certainly don't use London X, at all, let alone at max. The frame rates aren't the problem, it's the pauses -- one of which must be the best part of a second! 

 

I was using the original FSX version (V1.0) of EGLC in both FSX and P3D, but I've since installed the one labelled for P3D (V2.0) and it makes no difference. And it isn't the traffic -- there's very little there in any case, and the pauses are still there without any traffic enabled.

 

I'm also happier with the sharper (better anti-aliassed) image I get in FSX-SE. Although it can be more flickery than P3D, at least straight edges are straight, etc. This is with scenery and traffic -- I don't have any on-screen cockpit parts.

 

Pete

That's strange, Pete. I have lots of AI traffic active at all of my UK airports (using detailed FAIB and other models with high resolution textures), and I do not experience significant pauses like that at London City Xtreme. I have noticed "multiple stutters" near several airports (Liverpool/Doncaster Sheffield/Stansted), and these are always in the same location. I have never been able to work out quite why this is the case, as it does not happen on anywhere near the same scale at much larger airports and denser scenery areas (eg. around London Heathrow)....

 

 

Sorry, don't agree. I have lots of Aerosoft airports and generally they're fine. I would look to the developer (IDS) for the recent problems with EGCC and Nassau. They've promised a hot fix so maybe that will resolve things.

 

It amazes me how this is a probelm time and time again.

 

 VAS is a well established, known,  inherent issue for P3D and yet there are still companies who release their sceneries - unoptimised -  and have to take another few months to 'optimise' it.  IDS previews of the EGCC scenery have been sloshing around the forums for well over a year now.  For us to suddenly hit a brick wall because of VAS problems is no longer acceptable.  They need to sort it out!

It amazes me how this is a probelm time and time again.

 

 VAS is a well established, known,  inherent issue for P3D and yet there are still companies who release their sceneries - unoptimised -  and have to take another few months to 'optimise' it.  IDS previews of the EGCC scenery have been sloshing around the forums for well over a year now.  For us to suddenly hit a brick wall because of VAS problems is no longer acceptable.  They need to sort it out!

 

I can forgive their inexperience with Nassau as it was their first project although they are taking a very long time to fix it. But EGCC also appears to be eating too much VAS so it makes me wonder how much they have learned. Or perhaps it's their level of skill that is holding them back.

 

"The Undecided" nailed it earlier when he said to ignore the fact it's an Aerosoft product. It isn't. they're just the shop. It's the developer that's key.

I can forgive their inexperience with Nassau as it was their first project although they are taking a very long time to fix it. But EGCC also appears to be eating too much VAS so it makes me wonder how much they have learned. Or perhaps it's their level of skill that is holding them back.

 

 

I don't have Manchester, but have Sacramento and Nassau. The fps and VAS hits are staggering, so I started doing some snooping around KSMF. Fundamentally, it's the whole methodology of making a scenery project, which goes against 10+ years of common knowledge gained since FSX's release.

 

There's no patch or fix for KSMF or MYNN and if Manchester is made in the same manner, there will be no relief there.

Got both. The modelling on the IDS one looks better to my eyes but VAS is an issue. UK2000 is another solid release that works as advertised, as Gary's stuff always does. VAS and performance is better in the UK2000 one.

 

Performance always gets my vote over looks. No matter how good the airport is, if you cannot fly into it then no reason to have it in the first place.

Has anyone been able to give definite figures for VAS usage on these two Manc sceneries? Easy test - disable and get a baseline figure, then enable and get the new one - as long as you use same weather, location, time of day and aircraft that should be an accurate enough result.

Has anyone been able to give definite figures for VAS usage on these two Manc sceneries? Easy test - disable and get a baseline figure, then enable and get the new one - as long as you use same weather, location, time of day and aircraft that should be an accurate enough result.

 

I only have UK2000 Manchester but I did a test with v1 before installing v2.

 

FPS v1 = 27-29

VAS Free = 2183

 

FPS v2 = 25

VAS Free = 2252

 

That was with the Trike positioned to the east of the airfield at 500ft looking over the full airport excl runways.

Aerosoft is hit and miss sometimes you get great support and a top product and sometimes the developers disappears after a week, promising to fix something, sometime. AS Prague had great support. And nice scenery that had constant updates for new features and feedback. But AS Dublin had 1 or 2 small fixes and nothing since. UK2000 is consistently good and might be a little less quality than the Aerosoft offering but better fps and vas. I run FSX:steam and Heathrow from AS looks nice but the UK2000 performs much better.

It's ok here with little traffic, the differences come with realistic amounts of traffic for the area.

 

 

I don't really have lower frame rates at or near EGLC -- they are higher (in fact, at my limit of 30) than at EGLL. And I certainly don't use London X, at all, let alone at max. The frame rates aren't the problem, it's the pauses -- one of which must be the best part of a second! 

 

I was using the original FSX version (V1.0) of EGLC in both FSX and P3D, but I've since installed the one labelled for P3D (V2.0) and it makes no difference. And it isn't the traffic -- there's very little there in any case, and the pauses are still there without any traffic enabled.

 

I'm also happier with the sharper (better anti-aliassed) image I get in FSX-SE. Although it can be more flickery than P3D, at least straight edges are straight, etc. This is with scenery and traffic -- I don't have any on-screen cockpit parts.

 

Pete

EGLC I have good performance also in FSX but do you run Orbx scenery? If you have Vector disable frozen water bodies, and on the UK scenery config try disabling the animated road traffic. That hurt my FPS in FSX when I was tweaking it 

I only have UK2000 Manchester but I did a test with v1 before installing v2.

 

FPS v1 = 27-29

VAS Free = 2183

 

FPS v2 = 25

VAS Free = 2252

 

That was with the Trike positioned to the east of the airfield at 500ft looking over the full airport excl runways.

 

Thanks Ray, do you know your figures with the scenery disabled? I'm looking to see how much it actually uses, so without a "baseline" figure I'm still in the dark.

Thanks Ray, do you know your figures with the scenery disabled? I'm looking to see how much it actually uses, so without a "baseline" figure I'm still in the dark.

 

I'll check once I land Concorde at JFK. Just on the final leg of my world tour. :smile: 

It's ok here with little traffic, the differences come with realistic amounts of traffic for the area.

 

 

I don't really have lower frame rates at or near EGLC -- they are higher (in fact, at my limit of 30) than at EGLL. And I certainly don't use London X, at all, let alone at max. The frame rates aren't the problem, it's the pauses -- one of which must be the best part of a second! 

 

I was using the original FSX version (V1.0) of EGLC in both FSX and P3D, but I've since installed the one labelled for P3D (V2.0) and it makes no difference. And it isn't the traffic -- there's very little there in any case, and the pauses are still there without any traffic enabled.

 

I'm also happier with the sharper (better anti-aliassed) image I get in FSX-SE. Although it can be more flickery than P3D, at least straight edges are straight, etc. This is with scenery and traffic -- I don't have any on-screen cockpit parts.

 

Pete

 

I get this with UK2000 Gatwick active (p3d using 3.4 currently)  as soon as I deactivate it from my scenery.cfg the pauses go, I always get a really bad pause at 100kts on 26L at Gatwick

 

As much as I am loyal to UK2000, I have to say that the general look of the textures always seem grainy to me these days and never very rich compared to the field, this even more apparent against some good landclass textures

 

This the reason I favour/use Aerosoft LHR over UK2000 

Thanks Ray, do you know your figures with the scenery disabled? I'm looking to see how much it actually uses, so without a "baseline" figure I'm still in the dark.

With UK2000 EGCC disabled fps = 46

Available VAS = 2402Mb

 

That's with 194 Ai showing.

 

It suggests Gary's consumes 150Mb.

 

All those figures are with Autogen = Normal. If I push it to Extremely Dense VAS Available drops to 2009Mb and fps = 31. But I keep Autogen at sensible levels for Concorde.

With UK2000 EGCC disabled fps = 46

Available VAS = 2402Mb

 

That's with 194 Ai showing.

 

It suggests Gary's consumes 150Mb.

 

All those figures are with Autogen = Normal. If I push it to Extremely Dense VAS Available drops to 2009Mb and fps = 31. But I keep Autogen at sensible levels for Concorde.

I liked the Concord addon for fs9 a long time ago, you have no time to admire any scenery that airplane is a handful, and very fun.

Interesting replies guys. Well, I am the victim of my own success! I have flown with FSX since 2009 and have been, more or less, content, apart from the slow loading of textures and blurries. In my quest for 'perfection' I decided in October to move to FSX-SE, which was quite a challenge due to having more than 100 payware airports and all of Orbx sceneries and regions, not to mention all the other stuff like, FSUIPC, LINDA, SPAD, plus the hardware panels, blah blah! It took me the best part of three weeks to get everything installed. However, within 24 hours of installing FSX-SE and this is where I fall victim, it wasn't long before I was experiencing terrain dll crashes. With no resolution in sight, regardless of how much detective work I carried out, I still experienced these random acts of vindictiveness! I also started to get even more crashes, can't remember which, they are supposed to be associated with the MS redistributables ++ 2005 (?) anyway, regardless of how many of these MS updates I did, plus all the rest, through to 2013, I was still getting crashes. This made me VERY, VERY sad, as I experienced virtually no crashes at all in the 6 years flying in FSX. So after most of October installing FSX-SE, I decided to do, yet again, a second reinstall. And guess what? after spending most of November performing yet a second install, I was still seeing crashes. So just after Christmas I decided to upsticks, throw everything in the bin and install P3d. I have now just today, finished installing all the sceneries. I now have to move onto aircraft. if I can't make this work to my satisfaction, then it will definitely be XP, or I will give up simming all together, which will be  sad day for me. But life is getting shorter as we get older. Gregg, I still have 4 x SGSS on in P3d, nothing else, but I'd be interested in seeing your graphics settings if possible?

I started on a fresh windows 10 install and fsx steam and performance is great and no crashes.