birdguy

The case for FSX...

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I know this is the P3D Forum but I am dumping my P3Dv4 installation and going back to FSX.

I can't seem to connect with P3D.  Lots of little things like some Orbx airports that don't work in FAT areas while all the others do; CTDs that seem to happen for no reason; and just the general level of comfort I felt with FSX that I don't withP3D.

I'm an airplane collector.  I collect them even if I am only going to fly them once.  And I have to start that all over again in P3Dbecause so few FSX aircraft work in P3Dv4.  I miss the military ai traffic I had with FSX.  But mainly I was comfortable and satisfied with FSX.  But, like  most simmers, I felt I had to push the envelope when new stuff came along.

I don't know if I can adequately explain this. 

Last summer I won a brand new 2018 Toyota Camry in a drawing.  The  first significant thing I had ever won.  I was delirious with my new car.  I gave my 4 year old Toyota Prius to my wife and proudly drove my new Camry...for about two weeks.  Then I gave the new Camry to my wife and took my old Prius back.  It fit me like a well worn pair of slippers while the Camry felt like a new pair of shoes I had to break in.

I supposed flight simming is a personal thing.  Like the brand of toothpaste or deodorant you use.  You try the newest thing in a commercial you see but revert back to the old standbys.

There's noting wrong with P3D.  I just prefer the familiarity and comfort lever of FSX.  Having been a pilot in past I know no simulator will ever be capable of replicating the feeling of sitting alone at the controls of a Cherokee five thousand feet above the ground with your destiny in your own hands so I'm not going to try and chase it.  I just want to play the game.

Ya know, I don't own a smart phone.  At this stage of my life (a few weeks short of my 84th birthday) I just want to avoid learning curves.  I don't carry my old flip phone around with me either.  I have not been assimilated into the continuum.  The same with flight simming. 

Noel

An analog man trapped in a digital world.

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Hello birdguy, you will get no gripe from me. The world would be extremely boring if we all thought the same way. As for myself, I re-install FSX ever couple of years and can't understand why I keep trying to go back. (but I still do the same thing every couple of years). I completely support your choice of FSX. It's sort of like I love a good sardine, my wife thinks I've lost it, but we ain't gettin' divorced over it. 

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You know one day old is just old. But one can still keep the old , like I do, to go back to occasionally. I still fly FS1-FS3 on a 286/12 occasionally. I even run a very old ATARI 2600 and SEGA Master System once-n-awhile. My most anticipated flight sim of all time is still Flight Assignment: ATP by SubLogic, I waited as if I was dying, starving in the middle of the Sahara Desert. But P3D V4, because it is 64bit, and well supported by 3rd parties, is a very close second. VR catching on with more and more features, keeps me looking forward, there is nothing like it....you are there. 

No doubt FSX is/was great, enjoy it.

 

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58 minutes ago, birdguy said:

I just want to avoid learning curves

Yes, I can imagine that at a certain moment in your life you are done with 'new' and 'progress' and so on and you simply want to enjoy whatever you've got. I am quite a few years younger than you are but I notice I also am getting tired of this constant need for change and 'progress'. If you can actually improve something I am all for it but too often things are changed nowadays just because people expect change at least once a year, no matter what. It's getting tiresome. But well, I can understand your decision and I hope you will enjoy FSX for decades to come. :happy:

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I have not been assimilated into the continuum.  The same with flight simming. 

Beautiful. Today's world of technology sometimes is just "because we can" and serves very little purpose.

In vehicles, the new TV screen touch and point and swipe and voice this and that are a distraction from the real world engagement. Should be banned (opps I'm ranting off topic).

I keep my FSX, still have P3DV3+ but have moved almost totally to P3DV4+ and XP11. Soon I will delete V3+ but not FSX for some of the reasons you mention.

I am always slow to "clean up" stuff.

As long as you are happy with it...giving you the entertainment you like...no worries, enjoy.

Bryan

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As someone driving round in a 20 year old MX5 through choice, I say go with what you like. :cool:

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FSX enjoys a number of advantages over P3d.  First is price.  A non academic version of P3d costs hundreds of dollars.  A copy of FSX, Steam Edition, can often be had for under $20.  This leads to the second advantage:  a large use base.  If you compare the number of people still using FSX, they greatly outnumber those using P3d and X-Plane.  This means developers should want to develop for this userbase, just because there is more money out there.  The third major advantage is because FSX has been around so long, there is a huge backcatalog of both freeware and payware.

The third advantage is what keeps me coming back to FSX.  (I have both FSX and P3d installed.)  I have found that P3d can misbehave just as much as FSX.  It always takes time to install and setup a new  program.

Of course, the best answer may be:  if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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I know where you are coming from, and I do enjoy starting up FSX once in a while.

FSX is installed on its own SSD and looks much the same as it has done for the past 10 years, with Orbx Global etc to give it colour..

However, and this is probably just my personal issue, I really notice the popping up of Autogen now, in particular clumps of trees, and typically soon after, land the airplane.  I then switch to P3DV4 (my first P3D release) and enjoy the stable outside view, with lots of nice detail and no sudden popping of anything...  :cool:

Very nice indeed..

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At first I thought I was reading about me! Then I realized I never had P3D. Coming up on 80 now, don't own a cell or smart fone, I'm tired of new. I'm tired of learning because someone forces me to buy something new because they quit supporting something that worked just fine! I don't like whistles and bells and certainly not more of them.

I went to Best Buy about 2 months ago and told the guy - I'm here to buy a dumb TV! I want a fricking remote that only has ON/OFF, UP/DOWN, LOUDER/QUIETER/MUTE!  True story!

And I don't do FMC's!  :biggrin:

Bruce

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I have never minded change but there is lots today that is planned redundancy because big companies like to keep their cash flow going.

1 hour ago, brucets said:

I went to Best Buy about 2 months ago and told the guy - I'm here to buy a dumb TV! I want a fricking remote that only has ON/OFF, UP/DOWN, LOUDER/QUIETER/MUTE!  True story!

Too funny and I agree, except now the best stuff is on monthly subscription like Netflix or shoumi.

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I was talked into a "smart phone" by the guy at the Verizon store. I decommissioned my beautiful little flip phone in favor of this huge, ungainly smartphone which is nothing like a telephone. This contract runs out in 6 months and then I will decommission the "smart phone", and re initiate my flip phone. Newer, sexier, more expensive is not necessarily better. Smartphone battery lasts maybe a day while the flip phone lasted days.

I run FSX and love it. No knock on P3D or XP. I'm just comfortable. This illustrates what a great, all inclusive passion that is flight simulation. There are guys and gals like me who just like to fly. Some enjoy tweaking and working the software issues. Some love scenery. Some love aircraft. Some love painting. Some love creating screenies. The breadth and depth is awesome.

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Yeah, Verizon suckered me into a 'smart phone' several years ago. The silly thing spent far more time on the charger than it ever did with me using it. I have a free phone courtesy of being poor as dirt that is mostly "just a phone." The battery on it will last up to a full week between charging.

I discontinued the "smart phone" when the contract ran out and now use it to take an occasional picture or two.

Oh, and don't get me started on remote controls! The remote for my Comcast HDTV box has a ridiculous number of tiny buttons that my fat fingers have trouble using. :blink:

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7 hours ago, birdguy said:

An analog man trapped in a digital world.

Love that song by Joe Walsh. Says it all

Spoiler

Analog Man

Joe Walsh

Welcome to cyberspace, I'm lost in the fog
Everything's digital I'm still analog
When something goes wrong
I don't have a clue
Some ten year old smart a** has to show me what to do
Sign on with high speed you don't have to wait
Sit there for days and vegetate
I access my email, read all my spam, I'm an analog man.

The whole world's living in a digital dream
It's not really there
It's all on the screen
Makes me forget who I am
I'm an analog man

Yeah I'm an analog man in a digital world
I'm gonna get me an analog girl
Who loves me for what I am
I'm an analog man

What's wrong with vinyl, I think it sounds great
L-Ps, forty-fives, seventy-eights but that's just the way I am
I'm an analog man

Turn on the tube, watch until dawn
One hundred channels, nothing is on
Endless commercials, endless commercials, endless commercials

The whole world's glued to the cable TV
It looks so real on the big L-C-D
Murder and violence are rated P-G, too bad for the children
They are what they see

The whole world's living in a digital dream
It's not really there
It's all on the screen
Makes me forget who I am
I'm an analog man

Yeah I'm an analog man in a digital world
I'm gonna get me an analog girl
Who loves me for what I am
I'm an analog man

Yeah I'm an analog man in a digital world

 

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I still use FSX as well. I did buy P3D but never really made the transition, what I have works great for me.

I also have a 1989 Honda Civic which puts a huge smile on my face every time I drive it. My other car is a 2012 Honda and no where near as fun. So whatever puts a smile on your face is the one that works best for you :biggrin:

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One of my earliest memories of my parents as a young child was how uninterested they seemed in learning something new. They had me somewhat later in life (for the early 1970s) and I just assumed that's what happened when you got into your late 40s. It wasn't until later that I started to notice that older folks who retained a young child's determination to constant learn and experience something new seemed younger than their peers. I'm now reaching my mid to late 40s and having watched my children growing up I refuse to be like my parents.

I can't think of anything from 40 years ago I would want back.

Cheers!

Luke

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I only started simming ten years ago and FSX Is the only Sim I have used. It was frustrating buggy then but over the years I have seen developers turn it into a fine sim. HiFi for weather FUSIPC solved several anomalies such as ground friction and study sim developers such as PMDG,A2A,TFDI and Leonardo provide great planes to fly and learn. Not to mention a plethora of scenery. If I don't spend another dollar I have enough to keep me busy for life. I haven't scratched the surface on some of the aircraft I own. With Steve's DX10 fixer and my new rig I can achieve great visuals with fine performance. I will continue to grow my FSX world as long as developers keep providing. If they move on I stay busy with what I have and my credit card will rest.

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8 hours ago, Chock said:

As someone driving round in a 20 year old MX5 through choice,

Good choice. I am the same with cars. There is plenty of cars I have owned, and it is always the old school motoring that I enjoy. Car with Bluetooth does nothing for me.

One of my favorite old cars, I owned for many years was an Morris Isis series 1. Also owned a Morris 6. Wished I kept them.

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10 hours ago, birdguy said:

I know this is the P3D Forum but I am dumping my P3Dv4 installation and going back to FSX.

I can't seem to connect with P3D.  Lots of little things like some Orbx airports that don't work in FAT areas while all the others do; CTDs that seem to happen for no reason; and just the general level of comfort I felt with FSX that I don't withP3D.

I'm an airplane collector.  I collect them even if I am only going to fly them once.  And I have to start that all over again in P3Dbecause so few FSX aircraft work in P3Dv4.  I miss the military ai traffic I had with FSX.  But mainly I was comfortable and satisfied with FSX.  But, like  most simmers, I felt I had to push the envelope when new stuff came along.

I don't know if I can adequately explain this. 

Last summer I won a brand new 2018 Toyota Camry in a drawing.  The  first significant thing I had ever won.  I was delirious with my new car.  I gave my 4 year old Toyota Prius to my wife and proudly drove my new Camry...for about two weeks.  Then I gave the new Camry to my wife and took my old Prius back.  It fit me like a well worn pair of slippers while the Camry felt like a new pair of shoes I had to break in.

I supposed flight simming is a personal thing.  Like the brand of toothpaste or deodorant you use.  You try the newest thing in a commercial you see but revert back to the old standbys.

There's noting wrong with P3D.  I just prefer the familiarity and comfort lever of FSX.  Having been a pilot in past I know no simulator will ever be capable of replicating the feeling of sitting alone at the controls of a Cherokee five thousand feet above the ground with your destiny in your own hands so I'm not going to try and chase it.  I just want to play the game.

Ya know, I don't own a smart phone.  At this stage of my life (a few weeks short of my 84th birthday) I just want to avoid learning curves.  I don't carry my old flip phone around with me either.  I have not been assimilated into the continuum.  The same with flight simming. 

Noel

An analog man trapped in a digital world.

I was able to overcome any issues I had with P3D.  It is simply FSX evolved.  I bought it knowing what I was getting into.  I don't have to have every system in the universe.  I just fly what I fly, light jets, the B200, props, and ultralights.  I was never meant to be a commercial pilot and never had an interest in going that far.  It is a grueling program, you are constantly browbeaten, the pilot/copilot relationship, and check rides.  Every pilot just wants to be the greatest pilot who ever lived.  I am a sloppy pilot.  I do not like use of the rudder one bit, except for very slight corrections on final.  I was outraged when that jet crashed during wake turbulence.  Pilots were taught to stomp on that rudder, it puts incredible stresses on the airframe.  The wings turn the plane, I learned from a glider pilot that had only ailerons on his RC aircraft.  He could keep that glider up in ridge lift until we got bored of the whole thing.  Then he could take it right down to his hand and grab it from the sky.  He was the best pilot I ever knew.  Thank goodness Light Sport came into being for that reason.  Older pilots tend to be very safe, they know their limits.  As they say, there are old pilots and there are bold pilots......

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On smartphones...

A couple years ago two of my daughters came to town for Mother's Day.  One from Denver the other from South Carolina.

We went out to dinner at a nice restaurant to celebrate Mother's Day and they completely ignored Mom and were engrossed in showing each other pictures on their smart phones.  "Here's on of my neighbor's best friend's dog."

They are both over 50 years old and it's been over 30 years since I had scolded any of them.  But that day I did.  I reminded in fairly strong language they were supposed to be there to celebrate Mother's Day with their mom and they were completely ignoring her  with their smartphone word not allowed.  They were contrite and put the phones away and started talking to my wife.

I have  noticed so many people are joined at the with their smartphones.

We have four cats and I have a tagline on my e-mail signature saying "I would rather be owned by a cat than a smartphone."

Noel

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Luke,

I have taken about 30 of The Great Courses since I retired.  Mostly about ancient history, the dawn of civilization from  Sarkan to Alexander the Great.  I'm fascinated by the Persian Empire. 

But other subjects too like economics and currently I am taking two of them, Zoology and The Science of Flight.

So getting old doesn't mean you stop learning.  You just focus on your interests without it getting too complicated.

It's the technology learning curve I have problems with.  I already know how to read listen, watch, and remember.

Noel

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John, a counterpoint to that part about wings turning the aeroplane if I may - sometimes a bit of rudder is required to counteract the adverse yaw encountered due to aileron drag, but it depends upon the plane's design I suppose. I never think about using the rudder in flight with the freeware Saab Viggen fighter in my hangar! LOL.

I've flown aileron-elevator RC gliders and like you say got bored of staying up there. I've also flown rudder-elevator RC gliders and done the same :)

 

Noel - yep sometimes the smartphones are a curse! I like technology, I love science fiction stories and movies. However, I'd think nothing over buying an old car over a brand new one. Heck, I'd get two - one practical, economical shopping trolley, and one with a simple 8-in-a-vee configured engine with a bucket or two for carburation, coupled to a beefy manual transmission driving the rear wheels!... and then probably end up running over a jaywalking pedestrian who couldn't even hear the Chevy or MOPAR due to listening to their bloody phone! :blink::biggrin:

 

As for flightsims that's a little different - I'm all for getting more immersion, but I would hope that it isn't too steep a learning curve - P3D is FSX evolved, but FSX is the comfy pair of shoes :cool:

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30 minutes ago, birdguy said:

It's the technology learning curve I have problems with.  I already know how to read listen, watch, and remember.

That's good - I find those are the skills I need with technology as well. :)

Cheers!

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