47 minutes ago, Chock said:

Yup, my thoughts exactly. Stand by to see that price drop like an iron butterfly when people don't bite.

Has any developer actually done this before or will it present itself under the guise of a sudden sale?

If this was the only MD11 ever, it might pass, but since all of us MD11 lovers have flown the PMDG, I doubt it would be easy to please after flying such excellence before in FSX.  Wish I hadnt seen it. Just wishes PMDG wouldve done the port over to p3d at the very least even more. Ugh

These are the same guys that produced a DC-9 for FSX/P3D 32bit a while ago. The DC-9 product was not good regarding the quality of the textures and systems, and the livery install process was a mess. They abandonned the DC-9 support when they apparently shutdown their site for some time, and now they're reappearing with a "new" MD-11 and promises about a "new" DC-9.

I wouldn't recommend to insist with those guys.

Cheers, Ed

Edited October 18, 20187 yr by edpatino

2 hours ago, krazyk said:

Has any developer actually done this before or will it present itself under the guise of a sudden sale?

Yup, Sky Simulations have in fact done it before: I bought their FSX DC-9 way back in 2009 and it cost 35.70 Euros, which is about £31. I bought the same thing the a couple of weeks ago for P3D V4 (and yeah, it is basically the same product updated for P3D V4) and it was £22.99.

Don't forget that in looking at the above example, we also have to take into account almost ten years of inflation, the additional cost of making it P3D V4 compatible (which might not have been too much work but it at least involves some work), and the fact that P3D add-ons are typically a bit dearer than those for FSX, yet this virtually identical product has its price dropped by a third.

And incidentally whilst on the subject of that DC-9 add-on, I did try installing my old old Sky Simulations FSX DC-9 again a while back, but it would not install because it kept reporting that my serial number was invalid. I contacted their support and I got a reply which said they'd get back to me, but then they never did, despite me emailing them again a few times, so they're not exactly in my good books for having done that and I'd be wary about paying 50 Euros to any company which can't be @rsed to reply to its customers about something as basic as a serial number being invalid. But..

I'd be tempted to give that MD-11 a shot if it was more in that 20 quid price range (i.e. less of a gamble with quite a large amount of money), but there's no way I'd go for it when its price range is in the same region as products such as the iFly 737 and 747 and the QW787, yet it is using a simplified FMC and I know their support is less than adequate into the bargain.

It's quite clearly an attempt to punch above its weight because they are aware people are missing their PMDG MD-11 in P3D V4, but it's just not worth the money they are charging for it. Even charging 30 quid for it would be pushing it, in my opinion, considering the closest alternative to it for P3D V4 - given that the MD-11 is basically a tarted up DC-10 - is the JF L-1011 Tristar Professional, which costs 35 quid, and that thing has both an INS and a Honeywell HT9100 FMS simulated on it.

That L-1011 might not be the best product JF have ever made, but at least JF actually bother to answer emails and such and would refund you if their product did not satisfy you, instead of completely ignoring you, as Sky Simulations did with me when I requested support. That, incidentally, is why I bought that P3D V4 version of the Sky Simulations DC-9 off the Just Flight store.

Edited October 18, 20187 yr by Chock

4 hours ago, ideoplastic said:

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Not bought it or tested it. Feedback from anyone who has, much appreciated.

 

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3 hours ago, Chock said:

Yup, my thoughts exactly. Stand by to see that price drop like an iron butterfly when people don't bite.

With the exception of special pre-release sales, have you ever seen the price of a new release drop? 

SkySimulations have released a DC9 and a DC10 which had pretty poor textures, but were not bad simulations at all.

This one looks like it has pretty good textures, but it uses that EasyFMS, but still may be a pretty enjoyable simulation.  It may be worth 50-so bucks to have a decent usable MD-11 in P3Dv4. 

27 minutes ago, Chock said:

Yup, Sky Simulations have in fact done it before: I bought their FSX DC-9 way back in 2009 and it cost 35.70 Euros, which is about £31. I bought the same thing the a couple of weeks ago for P3D V4 (and yeah, it is basically the same product updated for P3D V4) and it was £22.99.

Don't forget that in looking at the above example, we also have to take into account almost ten years of inflation, the additional cost of making it P3D V4 compatible (which might not have been too much work but it at least involves some work), and the fact that P3D add-ons are typically a bit dearer than those for FSX, yet this virtually identical product has its price dropped by a third.

And incidentally whilst on the subject of that DC-9 add-on, I did try installing my old old Sky Simulations FSX DC-9 again a while back, but it would not install because it kept reporting that my serial number was invalid. I contacted their support and I got a reply which said they'd get back to me, but then they never did, despite me emailing them again a few times, so they're not exactly in my good books for having done that and I'd be wary about paying 50 Euros to any company which can't be @rsed to reply to its customers about something as basic as a serial number being invalid. But..

I'd be tempted to give that MD-11 a shot if it was more in that 20 quid price range (i.e. less of a gamble with quite a large amount of money), but there's no way I'd go for it when its price range is in the same region as products such as the iFly 737 and 747 and the QW787, yet it is using a simplified FMC and I know their support is less than adequate into the bargain.

It's quite clearly an attempt to punch above its weight because they are aware people are missing their PMDG MD-11 in P3D V4, but it's just not worth the money they are charging for it. Even charging 30 quid for it would be pushing it, in my opinion, considering the closest alternative to it for P3D V4 - given that the MD-11 is basically a tarted up DC-10 - is the JF L-1011 Tristar Professional, which costs 35 quid, and that thing has both an INS and a Honeywell HT9100 FMS simulated on it.

That L-1011 might not be the best product JF have ever made, but at least JF actually bother to answer emails and such and would refund you if their product did not satisfy you, instead of completely ignoring you, as Sky Simulations did with me when I requested support. That, incidentally, is why I bought that P3D V4 version of the Sky Simulations DC-9 off the Just Flight store.

Alan, they're still selling their V1 of MD-11 for 29.95; btw, that plane was an absolute mess.  I bought it over a decade ago and shelved it after 5 flights.  I'm ok with a simplistic model; however, I expect the basic systems to work.  Their MD-11 auto-throttle was all over the map; worse, you felt like you were on a roller-coaster when capturing the ILS.  It did a terrible job tracking the nav path too; although, that may have been solved with Erik's FMCLite.  This plane actually put me off the developer forever...

I'll say it again. This isn't anything new.  I've got this addon for P3D 32 bit years ago.  It was horrid.  Flying characteristics, systems, modelling isnt top notch either.  If you really want the 11 do what I do. Have a separate FSX SE installed for the PMDG aircraft.  You will regret putting money into this. I wish that wasn't the case, but it's basically a CLS MD-11. First thing you'll want Todo is replace all the avionics with ISG if you have it. After that you'll get fed up with basic Autopilot controls and quirky behaviors.

I just stepped over this thread. What exciting news! The MD-11 is my favourite aircraft. Have done some real cockpit flights with this nice bird. With some tricks the PMDG MD-11 can be used in P3DV3, but me and others are missing it in P3DV4. Rotate will bring out a MD11 in Xplane, but that will not be in the near future.

Never heard of Sky Simulations. But I am tempted to try the aircraft. I am not sure though whether I will be disappointed when comparing it to the PMDG, because I do really like the extremely well modelling of the systems, which in most cases behave as they should.

18 minutes ago, Cargostorm said:

Never heard of Sky Simulations. But I am tempted to try the aircraft. I am not sure though whether I will be disappointed when comparing it to the PMDG, because I do really like the extremely well modelling of the systems, which in most cases behave as they should

You will.

Cheers, Ed

 

37 minutes ago, Cargostorm said:

I am not sure though whether I will be disappointed when comparing it to the PMDG

I can pretty much guarantee that you will be.

if wilco can port there planes over why cant pmdg 

If Wilco could make their planes fly correctly on the first place then we could start that discussion.

S.

1 hour ago, simsuper80 said:

if wilco can port there planes over why cant pmdg 

They no longer have the rights for the MD11 as far as I’ve heard. Hell even if I had fsx still it’s not even for sale anymore. 

Surely it's better than this?

Roblox SFS MD-11

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