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ORBX Orlando City Scene...my LOAD TIME!

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Using my trusty iPhone timer, I proceeded to see "exactly" what my load time was for ORBX's Orlando City Scene scenery.   My Jetline system is relatively new and is equipped as follows:

Operating System:    Windows 10 Home Edition (64-Bit)
Chassis:                   NZXT S340 Elite Mid-Tower, Black
Motherboard:            Gigabyte Aorus Z370 Gaming 5, LGA 1151
Processor:                Intel 8th Gen Core i7 8700K (4.8GHz Overclock) Six Core
CPU Cooling:           Corsair Hydro Series H100i v2 Liquid Cooling
System Memory:      32GB Corsair DDR4 SDRAM 3000MHz
Graphics Processor: 11GB Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti, PCI Express 3.0
System Power:         850 Watt Corsair RM Series Power Supply
Sound Card:             7.1 High Definition Integrated Audio
Primary Drive:          1TB Samsung EVO 860 Solid State Drive (SSD)
Secondary Drive:      2TB WD Black 7200 RPM Mechanical Hard Drive

First, I loaded Active Sky for P3dv4, and minimized it to the taskbar running.

Then, I started P3d 4.4 and waited until the program loaded (short time, about a minute).

Next, I clicked on Change Airport and typed in KMCO.

Loading started and stayed at the "infamous 6%" for exactly 7 minutes.

The rest of the scenery took 1minute and 32 seconds  to completely load and I was on the runway at KMCO.

TOTAL TIME: 8:32

Not good, but not as bad as some of the times I read about.

Stan

 

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This does sound a bit weird. Is this in a fresh P3D install? Have you installed anything else for P3D?

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I would also say, that loading times in 4.4 are generally a bit longer than in 4.3. Cannot give numbers but I would estimate 20%.

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57 minutes ago, spilok said:

Using my trusty iPhone timer, I proceeded to see "exactly" what my load time was for ORBX's Orlando City Scene scenery.   My Jetline system is relatively new and is equipped as follows:

Operating System:    Windows 10 Home Edition (64-Bit)
Chassis:                   NZXT S340 Elite Mid-Tower, Black
Motherboard:            Gigabyte Aorus Z370 Gaming 5, LGA 1151
Processor:                Intel 8th Gen Core i7 8700K (4.8GHz Overclock) Six Core
CPU Cooling:           Corsair Hydro Series H100i v2 Liquid Cooling
System Memory:      32GB Corsair DDR4 SDRAM 3000MHz
Graphics Processor: 11GB Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti, PCI Express 3.0
System Power:         850 Watt Corsair RM Series Power Supply
Sound Card:             7.1 High Definition Integrated Audio
Primary Drive:          1TB Samsung EVO 860 Solid State Drive (SSD)
Secondary Drive:      2TB WD Black 7200 RPM Mechanical Hard Drive

First, I loaded Active Sky for P3dv4, and minimized it to the taskbar running.

Then, I started P3d 4.4 and waited until the program loaded (short time, about a minute).

Next, I clicked on Change Airport and typed in KMCO.

Loading started and stayed at the "infamous 6%" for exactly 7 minutes.

The rest of the scenery took 1minute and 32 seconds  to completely load and I was on the runway at KMCO.

TOTAL TIME: 8:32

Not good, but not as bad as some of the times I read about.

Stan

 

Are you using Acronis True Image 2019??

If so disable active protection.

In my case this was the 6% loading time problem.

 

Greetz,

 

BB

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Do you have your ORBX stuff on that secondary drive?

If so, that's your problem.

Cheers, Mark

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Perhaps I misunderstand, but I think his point is that his load times are very good...some people are experiencing 20 minutes or longer with the new orbx Orlando Cityscape.

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Be sure to read the users guide for this product.  I missed this and when I caught it by reading the Orbx forum comments and turned off the default scenery areas for Orlando and KMCO that made a significant improvement in loading time and performance.

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Yes. I feel my load times are pretty good.  Nothing relating to P3d is on secondary drive.  NOT a fresh install of P3d.  Just updated Client, Scenery, and Content.  I have ALL the ORBX stuff. No Acronis.  Turning off the default areas for Orlando and KMCO may be a way to decrease loading times.  Thanks for that.

Stan

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Is P3Dv4 on the ssd or mechinal drive 

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Same thing with Simwings EBBL and Barcelona City Scape. Takes quite a while to load, and p3d is on SSD. 

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Rats! I was going to buy this, but I think I'll hold off.

I'm not sure if this will help with Cityscene Orlando in particular, but I was able to improve load times as well as overall smoothness and performance on my system by adding folder and process exclusions in Windows Defender. It has been noticeable.

Process exclusions: SimObjectDisplayEngine.exe, Prepar3D.exe, couatl.exe, ASNext.exe, and FTXcentral.exe

Appdata\Local\ folder exclusions: .\Lockheed Martin\P3D v4\, and .\Orbx\

AppData\Roaming\ folder exclusions: .\ABarthel\, .\HiFi\, .\Lockheed Martin\P3D v4\, .\PMDG\, .\Orbx Systems\, and .\Virtuali\

ProgramData\ folder exclusions: .\Lockheed Martin\P3D v4\, .\12bPilot\, and .\Virtuali\

My Documents\ folder exclusions: .\<username>\Documents\Prepar3D v4 Files\, and .\<username>\Documents\Prepar3D v4 Add-ons\

Everything I have related to P3D that is currently installed and in use is under G:\P3D, so I excluded that as well.

I think the one that had the most noticeable impact on startup times was C:\ProgramData\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v4. This one has both scenery index folders. There is no need to scan each index file as it is opened. My goal was to prevent Win10 from scanning any file that P3D uses. It seems to be working. So far, I'm happy.

I hope Orbx and LM get this worked out. I'd love to add this to my collection.

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5 hours ago, tooting said:

Is P3Dv4 on the ssd or mechinal drive 

On the SSD.

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18 hours ago, flyblueskies said:

some people are experiencing 20 minutes or longer

Good lord, I would have given up and choose a different flightsim.

I fly in Europe and have all of the ORBX stuff installed plus plenty of addon airports. Starting P3D takes on average 3 min. If flying on IVAO, it needs to load all MTL planes as well, adding an extra 1m30 min to start. So worst case total 5 min on an addon airport. - which I find already a very long time to wait to start flying. Just like MDFlier mentioned, I exclude all P3D maps from being scanned. (In my case by Kaspersky)

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I'm on the other side of the coin here.  I personally own both ORBX and Flight1 GEX/UTX and neither one is currently installed.  ALL of my payware airports are installed,  including Active Sky and REX Skyforce for weather and sky/clouds etc.  My load times are less than 30 seconds and my average FPS is well above 40 is almost all areas including NY and Chicago.   Honestly,  I do not miss the stutters,  load times,  and everything else associated with tweaking those amazing ground graphics.   When I want to fly with "eye candy" I load up XPlane.

 

 

 

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I remember seeing 10 minute load times easily when running MSE photo imagery for several states. What load times are you expecting?  Everything in that scenery is unique, not repeated... all the ground imagery, the individual structures.

The times just don't sound out of whack to me.  Well, 20 mins does if that post was true.

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The Orbx designer for this product said the goal was to ensure load times less than 5 min.  I have all my Orbx files on a different SSD from the P3D root using a symbolic link and I use the high textures tweak to achieve 1024 terrain resolution and my load times will run about 2-3 min.  It took some getting used to, the use of high texture resolution greatly increased load times but it's worth it..... I mean after all my average session is 5 hrs and so what if it takes 5 min to load... if I am just playing or testing I turn off the texture resolution tweak.

One of the big hits to load times is the Orbx Library.  The developer said this can be turned off because Orlando does not use anything in the Orbx Library.  He explained that it was a surprise that this appeared but something in P3D rescans the library many many times during the load of one scenery scenario and they are working with LM to try to resolve this.  This little trick ought to help the person with 20 min load times.

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Load times has taken forever since FSX.

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I guess I should be pleased with my 4-5 minutes load time 😊

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Not only with this scenery I started to wonder: is this really what we want? Going down this road? I mean, 70 gigabyte and more for small areas such as the Netherlands, 20 Minutes loading time for City Scene Sceneries, see-through glass in the terminals with moving passengers inside, each and every grass part animated and shown, and and and.

Welcome to the 64bit world of flightsim. While we were on a good compromise track back in 32bit days due to the risk of OOM, it seems that the developers now totally lost their limits. Why not going further and achieve the obvious ultimate goal to totally bring down the 64bit architecture to its knees? /sarcasm off.

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15 hours ago, willy647 said:

Good lord, I would have given up and choose a different flightsim.

I fly in Europe and have all of the ORBX stuff installed plus plenty of addon airports. Starting P3D takes on average 3 min. If flying on IVAO, it needs to load all MTL planes as well, adding an extra 1m30 min to start. So worst case total 5 min on an addon airport. - which I find already a very long time to wait to start flying. Just like MDFlier mentioned, I exclude all P3D maps from being scanned. (In my case by Kaspersky)

Similar experience here...

I fly mostly in the USA, UK, and Europe, and have all the ORBX stuff and a bunch of add on airports, but no CityScene or True Earth stuff, and it takes me 35 seconds to reach the P3D opening screen, then another minute and a half to load up an aircraft and flight at a typical payware airport, so total time from clicking the P3D desktop icon to sitting on the runway ready to fly is just a hair over 2 minutes. A worst case scenario might be 2 1/2 minutes Personally, I think this is not bad, and I really don't mind the wait very much...

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I'm fascinated by this scenery but I'm a little scared to think about flying into this area. I don't mind a 2-4 minute initial wait when starting up. But are there going to be huge stutters and blurries when entering the area? Especially at a jetliner rate of speed. That's my concern. I had some blurries and stutters with DD New York X, which I do think have improved since 4.4. But this scenery looks like a whole other level of detail.

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On 1/23/2019 at 12:21 PM, downscc said:

He explained that it was a surprise that this appeared but something in P3D rescans the library many many times during the load of one scenery scenario and they are working with LM to try to resolve this.  

I'm personally hoping this is what finally provides a resolution to some of the 6+ second pauses I experience in certain scenery areas (e.g. Orbx SoCal, Viewpoint KMHT, etc.).  It seems that for some scenery packages, P3D rescans the entire library when flying into that new scenery.  This has been a common problem for many, but the issue never seemed to get any traction with LM.

As for the Orlando scenery, I was really looking forward to this package and purchased it immediately when it was released and experienced 5-6 minutes of load time on my system.  It's currently uninstalled, and I'll only re-install if this is solved or if I plan to fly VFR around Orlando.

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Even though it takes about 8 minutes total load time for me, I don't see my FPS suffer at all when flying helicopters or GA over the Orlando area.  I'm pleased with the scenery and the land points over Disney and other areas...but the load times are a little difficult to deal with.  Overall, I'll keep the scenery activated and hope ORBX finds a solution to the load times.

Stan

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I'll Join the party here. Bought it last night. With a Samsung evo ssd.  Loading terrain data 1 min 41, total load time 2 mins 17

 

Im doing the vs27 today. Lgw to mco even with the real world plan run at. Mach 86 it's still 9 hrs 35 flight time. 

We tried on tracks, off tracks, high and low. I feel for the crew on that today. That's a long Orlando that 

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