3 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

FSUIPC and WideFS, Radar Contact or equivalent, GoFlight hardware working at the outset, PMDG and similar quality aircraft and Air India Ai. Active Sky may well be involved and maybe Aerosoft.

In other words quite a step back, and still with stutters. I'm not seeing any killer feature apart from eye candy.

 

8 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Woozie, probably because it’s not considered important enough or is too complicated to rewrite and get multiple voices recorded. You wouldn’t want those dreaded robotic voices would you?

So you expect them to re-use ancient FSX/ESP code for MSFS? Thats really some half-empty-stuff...

4 minutes ago, irrics said:

Ok - well I didn't say you "prefer censored reviews".

But I disagree with your assertion that third party views are "more or less useless".

As you then said next - spend a bit a time and read the between the lines - a lot is there.

What's the alternative really?

Anything too moderated will be vulnerable to lots of different biases.  I'd much rather have a free for all and I'll go pick through it (vs the extreme opposite anyhow).  

 

Now - If a third party wants to be serious about it and let fair, but flaming at times, criticisms stand - I'm all for it.  Let the developer reply and let a thread get going there for all to see.  So long as the developer can't influence or moderate I'm fine with it.

Ok, perhaps i should have worded it differently, i didnt mean that the principle of user reviews is useless, i meant that the quality of user reviews is often so abysmal that total/average ratings are pretty much useless unless you filter the available data to exclude low effort reviews. 

1 minute ago, Woozie said:

Ok, perhaps i should have worded it differently, i didnt mean that the principle of user reviews is useless, i meant that the quality of user reviews is often so abysmal that total/average ratings are pretty much useless unless you filter the available data to exclude low effort reviews. 

Fair - it definitely requires some work to navigate sometimes for some games and genres in particular.

Just now, Woozie said:

Ok, perhaps i should have worded it differently, i didnt mean that the principle of user reviews is useless, i meant that the quality of user reviews is often so abysmal that total/average ratings are pretty much useless unless you filter the available data to exclude low effort reviews. 

Like Amazon reviews. If I'm considering a product I always start with the one-star reviews, to see if there's a potential serious problem or if they're mostly "mine arrived late" or "I ordered blue but got a pink one".

Just now, Holdit said:

Like Amazon reviews. If I'm considering a product I always start with the one-star reviews, to see if there's a potential serious problem or if they're mostly "mine arrived late" or "I ordered blue but got a pink one".

Yep - the 5 stars require nearly as much vigilance too..

"it's great"

"product does job really well"

"never seen something so good"

 

Hmm....  But it's an outdoor chair cushion.  

This isn't helping me much guys.. 😁

4 minutes ago, irrics said:

Fair - it definitely requires some work to navigate sometimes for some games and genres in particular.

Yeah, i usually resort to a very small circle of trusted youtubers (not the pewdiepie types....) who pay for their games/products and try to be as unbiased and neutral as possible. Works quite well for me

Edited June 18, 20196 yr by Woozie

6 minutes ago, irrics said:

Yep - the 5 stars require nearly as much vigilance too..

"it's great"

"product does job really well"

"never seen something so good"

 

Hmm....  But it's an outdoor chair cushion.  

This isn't helping me much guys.. 😁

Nothing beats the "poorly maintained - building is in a really bad state" trip advisor review for the Roman Colosseum!

19 minutes ago, Woozie said:

So you expect them to re-use ancient FSX/ESP code for MSFS? Thats really some half-empty-stuff...

I didn't say that. I haven't a clue how they will develop an ATC feature.

1 hour ago, petepawn said:

Anybody else remember that thing?

Yes! That was one of the few that I didn't buy outright, but I borrowed the floppies from my local library so often that they finally told me I had to let someone else have a turn. Had a lot of fun in that game.

 

Amazon (and eBay) reviews should always be viewed with some skepticism. Far too many vendors actively solicit reviewers with promises of a 'free product' in exchange for a favorable review. The deal is that the prospective reviewer buy the product, then after the vendor judges the review they will issue a refund.

I get at least one email every week for such unethical behavior.

9 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

What's the average age of a X-Box owner? Under 40 probably. I've never had a gaming console and never will. They're around for 5 minutes before the next one comes along and the old one goes to the charity shop or the tip!

And it seems most Gaming PC's or Flight Simulator PC's if you prefer, get upgraded along the way, and because they enjoy it as part of the hobby I guess, a lot build NEW gaming PC's around the same time frame as a NEW console comes out. Say every 4-6 years, I guess. Not everyone of course, just like not everyone, buys the latest and greatest console.And most old pc's are handed down are as old consoles, cell phones, tablet's etc...

Actually I have seen several people state. Time for a NEW build when Microsoft Flight Simulator is released. I don't know if because they need it, or are gonna use it as an excuse to enjoy their other hobby, build gaming PC's, YES I said Gaming PC's 🙂 cause that's what you have to search for if you are looking for a pre-built one, and maybe even part's. They don't call them Flight Simulator PC's for the general consumers.

Also, don't you have to pay for each version of P3D that you upgrade too? And is each DLC a free upgrade to the NEW version of P3D.

Face it some people will NOT buy the new Microsoft Flight Simulator, even if it worked EXACTLY like their current sim. Cause they have been asking for a NEW sim, and I think from Microsoft, and now they are angry about it. Have no idea why. Maybe cause Microsoft did not personally call them and ask what they wanted 🙂 

You know, the funny thing is, I've decided to buy games based on a thoroughly negative review bashing everything about the game.  Things that I thought were all positive.

21 minutes ago, Holdit said:

In other words quite a step back, and still with stutters. I'm not seeing any killer feature apart from eye candy.

I cannot remember a version of flight sim from Microsoft that delivered excellent performance on its release date. The hardware always struggled. Maybe this time will be different. We just don't know. Of course they'll sell it on the visuals.

Unless a computer has a very specific mission like, say, "I'm only going to use this to write angry missives on Facebook," you should always build a "gaming" PC. That way it will handle just about anything you throw at it. Nothing's more annoying than spending a bunch of time and money building a PC and then 3 months later, you find something you want to run on it, and it runs poorly because you under-powered your build.

Gaming PCs should certainly be used for flight simulation because even though LM insists it's not a game, the computer does not know that, or care, and P3d will run much better on a computer built for gaming than one built for just web-surfing and word processing.