1 minute ago, fogboundturtle said:

More wow effects ? I guess it's true, flight siimmers will never be satisfied with anything. Have you seen the screenshot from alpha tester ?  Please educate me on what else is missing ? 

Well, flight simmers are a bunch of people who try to experience the wonder of flight as accurately as possible but without actually doing it. Now think how far away we still are from the actual experience.

46 minutes ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

Really...Orbx - touch this?...

I beg to differ...

 

Do you seriously think that's not hand crafted scenery? Yes, Orbx will be able to touch that at thousands of airports that won't be modeled to that level of detail by Asobo. 

1 hour ago, bonchie said:

Do you seriously think that's not hand crafted scenery? Yes, Orbx will be able to touch that at thousands of airports that won't be modeled to that level of detail by Asobo. 

Who needs Orbx - when you've that veranda to chill on before grabbing that Carbon-Cub and hitting some sand banks.

Orbx? Dinosaurs...They've had their day.

Now it's Azure's time, AI's time.

I know it's hard if you've forked out a bunch of money on this - we all did - but it's time to erase the past and embrace where the whole thing is going. Grab hold of its coat-tails and come along for the ride.

We're living in a new place now - our scenery is being created by Artificial Intelligence and massive amounts of computing power. Forget everything you know in terms of scenery development. 

Hold tight, hang on and eventually you're going to spread your wings and fly straight in to the future of...

You.

And you're gonna love it. Like the rest of us. See you up there in the virtual skies.

(Sorry - got a bit carried away - I just think it's going to be great 😉

Edited June 16, 20205 yr by Will Fly For Cheese

9 hours ago, OzWhitey said:

Your comments are interesting in theory, but there is one word the proves your assertion incorrect: “Zibo”.

Which assertion would that be? The one where I said:

On 6/14/2020 at 5:01 PM, eslader said:

Every great once in awhile a freeware modder comes along who's willing to put in the scores of hours that would be required to develop a high-end payware-quality addon

So, yeah. Zibo. That's actually mainly who I was thinking of when I wrote that as well as AlRot and whoever that guy is who did the Osprey in P3d (can't remember now). But, having flown both Zibo's product and PMDG...

Zibo is awesome, and frankly should not be free because that dev deserves some money for what they came out with. But while Zibo easily wipes the floor with many payware devs like Carenado/Alabeo, and even some of the *good* payware devs, The Zibo 737 doesn't hold a candle to PMDG's 737 NGXu, which points to what I said after that quote. That being, after the freeware dev works his butt off producing something that might even be great, the better payware houses will come along and leave him in the dust.

 

23 minutes ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

Who needs Orbx - when you've that veranda to chill on before grabbing that Carbon-Cub and hitting some sand banks.

Orbx? Dinosaurs...They've had their day.

Now it's Azure's time, AI's time.

I know it's hard if you've forked out a bunch of money on this but it's time to erase the past and embrace where the whole thing is going. Grab hold of its coat-tails and come along for the ride.

Couldn't disagree more. The best days of companies like Orbx are yet to come with a new platform like MSFS. As Bonchie said, the level of detail you see in the veranda shot is only there in about eighty airports around the world. So there is definitely room for third party developers to build detailed airport packages. And these will look better than ever before given the possibilities the new platform offers.

Edit: And calling Orbx dinosaurs? I think they are innovators, still finding ways to deliver attractive products for ancient platforms. I look forward to seeing what they can do with MSFS.

Edited June 16, 20205 yr by Rimshot

13 minutes ago, Rimshot said:

Couldn't disagree more. The best days of companies like Orbx are yet to come with a new platform like MSFS. As Bonchie said, the level of detail you see in the veranda shot is only there in about eighty airports around the world. So there is definitely room for third party developers to build detailed airport packages. And these will look better than ever before given the possibilities the new platform offers.

Edit: And calling Orbx dinosaurs? I think they are innovators, still finding ways to deliver attractive products for ancient platforms. I look forward to seeing what they can do with MSFS.

Hey man. We're not all here to agree all the time. We're here to discuss.

Good points. Well made.

I still don't get it. Here is a question for those who know the answer:

I live near LOWI and like to fly between LOWI and LOWW, using ortho of Austria HD West and East together with ORBX LOWI, ORBX LOWW and Digital Design LOWS in an FSLABS A320.

Now, if I want to have the same or better experience in MFS, what do I need?

a) vanilla MFS

b) vanilla MFS + addon A320

c) vanilla MFS + addon A320 + addon LOWI, LOWS and LOWW

d) vanilla MFS + addon A320 + addon ortho + addon LOWI, LOWS and LOWW

Karl

35 minutes ago, Rimshot said:

Couldn't disagree more. The best days of companies like Orbx are yet to come with a new platform like MSFS. As Bonchie said, the level of detail you see in the veranda shot is only there in about eighty airports around the world. So there is definitely room for third party developers to build detailed airport packages. And these will look better than ever before given the possibilities the new platform offers.

Edit: And calling Orbx dinosaurs? I think they are innovators, still finding ways to deliver attractive products for ancient platforms. I look forward to seeing what they can do with MSFS.

I have bought a LOT of Orbx scenery for FSX and P3D and have certainly enjoyed it, but I doubt that I'll be purchasing any more as I don't feel that I'll need it for MSFS 2020. I just cannot justify the expense when this new default scenery has so much detail that I can actually fly over my neighborhood and pick out my home. Some people will always want more detail in scenery, but from what I've seen so far, default will be all I'll need.  What I will likely be buying are addon aircraft for MSFS 2020,

Edited June 16, 20205 yr by Arwen

3 minutes ago, kaha said:

I still don't get it. Here is a question for those who know the answer:

I live near LOWI and like to fly between LOWI and LOWW, using ortho of Austria HD West and East together with ORBX LOWI, ORBX LOWW and Digital Design LOWS in an FSLABS A320.

Now, if I want to have the same or better experience in MFS, what do I need?

a) vanilla MFS

b) vanilla MFS + addon A320

c) vanilla MFS + addon A320 + addon LOWI, LOWS and LOWW

d) vanilla MFS + addon A320 + addon ortho + addon LOWI, LOWS and LOWW

Karl

You will only need MFS if you are willing to use the default A320neo that's in the game. I was actually flying around Melbourne yesterday in FS2020. You have no idea....

So you say ortho and airports are payware quality. 

Karl

7 minutes ago, kaha said:

d) vanilla MFS + addon A320 + addon ortho + addon LOWI, LOWS and LOWW

I haven't flown in that area yet, but based on where I have flown you definitely won't need any ortho and you'll probably be quite happy with the airports.  

You'll have to read all the official published reports on the A320 to decide if it will be as detailed as you want.

Edit: Definitely payware quality.

Hook

Edited June 16, 20205 yr by LHookins

2 hours ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

Really...Orbx - touch this?...

I beg to differ...

 

1 hour ago, bonchie said:

Do you seriously think that's not hand crafted scenery? Yes, Orbx will be able to touch that at thousands of airports that won't be modeled to that level of detail by Asobo. 

Actually I see no reason why not every airport should have buildings as detailed and immersive as this. It would be quite easy for Asobo to handcraft maybe a hundred different typical airport buildings in high detail and then let their AI place them at airports all around the world where they are plausible. Outside the 80+ highly detailed airports they won't be accurate and if you know the airport closely you might be disappointed but if you don't really know the airport you will find it plausible and immersive.

I'm not in the Alpha and can only speculate. Those who are, are not allowed to reveal the quality of the airports outside the 80+; but the insinuations some of them already made are quite encouraging...

Edited June 16, 20205 yr by RALF9636

25 minutes ago, Arwen said:

I have bought a LOT of Orbx scenery for FSX and P3D and have certainly enjoyed it, but I doubt that I'll be purchasing any more as I don't feel that I'll need it for MSFS 2020. I just cannot justify the expense when this new default scenery has so much detail that I can actually fly over my neighborhood and pick out my home. Some people will always want more detail in scenery, but from what I've seen so far, default will be all I'll need.  What I will likely be buying are addon aircraft for MSFS 2020,

Yes, me too. And I agree there is already a lot of detail in the base MSFS, enough to keep me busy for years. But you know how it goes. If Orbx or any other scenery developer upgrades a default airfield I might fall for it if it is an airport I like. I'm with you on that airplane remark. I will be getting those too! No matter how great MSFS already looks, I'm convinced we'll all be complaining about how much we have spent on addons in a couple of years 😄

21 minutes ago, RALF9636 said:

if you don't really know the airport you will find it plausible and immersive.

Personally, I wouldn't. A lot of games have used this technique. X4 comes to mind. No Man's Sky is another. Every space station looks like one of a very few prefab stations. There's no real galactic exploration because it's either space which, let's face it, looks similar no matter where you are (skyboxes with dramatic ringed planets notwithstanding) or a station that's identical to the 30 stations you were on previously. I'd almost rather they just give you an interaction menu when you dock like they did in X3.

If every small airport looks like one of even 100 prefab airports, it won't take long before you never bother getting out of your plane to look at them. Which for me is fine - this is Flight Simulator after all, not Walking Around Airports Simulator.

 

 

 

Who needs Orbx - when you've that veranda to chill on before grabbing that Carbon-Cub and hitting some sand banks.

Orbx? Dinosaurs...They've had their day.

Now it's Azure's time, AI's time.

I know it's hard if you've forked out a bunch of money on this - we all did - but it's time to erase the past and embrace where the whole thing is going. Grab hold of its coat-tails and come along for the ride.

We're living in a new place now - our scenery is being created by Artificial Intelligence and massive amounts of computing power. Forget everything you know in terms of scenery development. 

Hold tight, hang on and eventually you're going to spread your wings and fly straight in to the future of...

You.

And you're gonna love it. Like the rest of us. See you up there in the virtual skies.

 

I wholeheartedly agree.

There is a benefit that our beloved Microsoft Flight Simulator disappeared for the best part of 10 years. Serendipity one could say has aligned the stars and we had the one moment where technology mapping someone at the top of Microsoft willing to take a big shot and a great French company willing to have a go at recreating the world in full VFR Rules. Nobody said it would be easy but wow its looking quite incredible. The Transparency has been admirable and its an ongoing project. I personally have been waiting all my life for this jump so ....

Orbx no question pushed FSX and P3D forward with some great products and were to begin with had all my support. later on they became for me they became arrogant and the quality dropped. Yes I have spent hundreds if not thousands I dont regret it but now they are not the king of the hill maybe not irrelevant but not far off.

Time for for the Future.

 

H.