Leaked Videos

[Der Zeitgeist 1,575]

From the first teaser, I was always interested in how the worst possible scenery quality in MSFS would look, not the best one.

In that, the Pyongyang video is highly relevant because it can tell us what to expect in areas where Asobo has zero customers living there and where they will probably not use a single hour of actual manpower to hand-craft scenery.

Regarding this, I'm quite impressed about what I was seeing in that video. It's a nice baseline of what to expect for places where I like to fly in, but that are kinda out of the way and where satellite coverage can be pretty low res, like Iceland or Scandinavia.

 

[Dominique_K 9,914]

 

18 minutes ago, bonchie said:

i warn you at least to not set them too lofty. 

Thanks for the warning but, been there, done that, I am not totally naive. I have the feeling that you take my post a bit too seriously and didn’t get my points 😉.

Anyway... Of course I know this is not going to be corrected for the release, my point was that it is appropriate to signal something we think erroneous. 

I don’t ask MS to get GE pics. I say that GE is able to licence better pics from their common providers and that they could maybe try to do better.

Hand correction ? Of course not. Machine correction. AI.

[bonchie 2,305]

10 minutes ago, Der Zeitgeist said:

From the first teaser, I was always interested in how the worst possible scenery quality in MSFS would look, not the best one.

In that, the Pyongyang video is highly relevant because it can tell us what to expect in areas where Asobo has zero customers living there and where they will probably not use a single hour of actual manpower to hand-craft scenery.

Regarding this, I'm quite impressed about what I was seeing in that video. It's a nice baseline of what to expect for places where I like to fly in, but that are kinda out of the way and where satellite coverage can be pretty low res, like Iceland or Scandinavia.

 

The coloring is the real issue and it only really affects green, low quality areas. You get that weird, puke green color that everyone hates to see in an ortho. If you go to parts of Africa, the brown hues of lower quality ortho may not be perfect, but they still look good. The sim does a good job of placing autogen regardless.

But when you go somewhere where it's green and the ortho quality is terrible, you'll get what you see in that North Korea video. 

Luckily, ortho quality that low is the exception, not the rule. 

Edited July 22, 2020 by bonchie

[n4gix 4,900]

I find in interesting - and curious - that no one has commented on the airplane itself. No animated ailerons, elevator or rudder! What? 😠

[Der Zeitgeist 1,575]

3 minutes ago, bonchie said:

The coloring is the real issue and it only really affects green, low quality areas. You get that weird, puke green color that everyone hates to see in an ortho. If you go to parts of Africa, the brown hues of lower quality ortho may not be perfect, but they still look good. The sim does a good job of placing autogen regardless.

But when you go somewhere where it's green and the ortho quality is terrible, you'll get what you see in that North Korea video. 

Luckily, ortho quality that low is the exception, not the rule. 

It still looks better than parts of the VFR Germany scenery that I got for FSX years ago that cost a ton of money.

If that is the worst MSFS will look out of the box (!) for 60 bucks (!) in North Korea (!), of all places, I'm totally fine with that. 

[RudyB24 296]

30 minutes ago, n4gix said:

No animated ailerons, elevator or rudder! What?

In North Korea that's not allowed. 🙂

@Dominique I agree that, as paying customers (even though we can choose not to buy), we're allowed to be 'picky' and we can give our 'positive critical' feedback on the imperfections, ones that everyone can see.

Also I think it a pity that there are better earth images available, and also more cities in 3D, but alas that imagery is with 'the competition', Google. Some time ago, in another thread, I was reflecting some on how it is a pity that the three companies, Microsoft, Google and Apple, that are all doing the same thing, picturing the globe, can not find ways to work together on this immense task. In stead of compete they could combine their efforts and with less resources all three, and us, end up with better imagery.

I was called a communist for even thinking that. 🙂

Edited July 22, 2020 by RudyB24

[LHookins 3,076]

1 minute ago, RudyB24 said:

Some time ago, in another thread, I was reflecting some on how it is a pity that the three companies, Microsoft, Google and Apple, that are all doing the same thing, picturing the globe, can not find ways to work together on this immense task.

My wish is that Prepar3Dv6 will have streaming scenery, and that it won't be restricted to Bing. 😄 

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[Bottle 663]

As the plane flys around the stadium and then pauses, you can see shields with athletics figures on it. That’s definitely hand crafted, the AI surely isn’t doing that.

[OzWhitey 3,353]

2 hours ago, threegreen said:

Perhaps they aren't aware yet.

Microsoft Enforcement Team are all currently too busy tracking down the Avsim FS9 forum posters, as I reported the lot of them to Redmond last night for using a cracked .exe to run that sim. Has given alpha testers a window of opportunity to post on Youtube, BiliBili and Facebook it seems.

[Will Fly For Cheese 1,710]

28 minutes ago, n4gix said:

I find in interesting - and curious - that no one has commented on the airplane itself. No animated ailerons, elevator or rudder! What? 😠

Self expression is not encouraged in N Korea!

Perfectly understandable that the aircraft would not wish to outwardly show its intentions.

Edited July 22, 2020 by Will Fly For Cheese

[goates 561]

10 minutes ago, RudyB24 said:

Also I think it a pity that there are better earth images available, and also more cities in 3D, but alas that imagery is with 'the competition', Google. Some time ago, in another thread, I was reflecting some on how it is a pity that the three companies, Microsoft, Google and Apple, that are all doing the same thing, picturing the globe, can not find ways to work together on this immense task. In stead of compete they could combine their efforts and with less resources all three, and us, end up with better imagery.

I was called a communist for even thinking of that. 🙂

While cooperating would likely get us a better overall model right now, I think having them compete will be better in the long run. One major issue with them cooperating is their completely different business models that are often completely opposite to the other (Apple wants to sell and get you hooked on their hardware and cares about your privacy, or pretends to, Google wants to sell you to advertisers and Microsoft bounces around in the middle somewhere) which would, sooner or later, result in any cooperation falling apart. See Apple dumping Google Maps as the defaults on their phones for one example.

[n4gix 4,900]

1 minute ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

Self expression is not encouraged in N Korea!

True that! I also noticed that the traffic was practically non-existent. That part is probably pretty much realistic.

See: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/north-koreas-only-car-maker-9537059

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In 2010, it was estimated there were less than 30,000 vehicles on the road serving a population of 24 million. Kim’s car makers are producing just 1,600 vehicles a year.

Yep, pretty much realistic! 😊

[chapstick 2,656]

21 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

Microsoft Enforcement Team are all currently too busy tracking down the Avsim FS9 forum posters, as I reported the lot of them to Redmond last night for using a cracked .exe to run that sim. Has given alpha testers a window of opportunity to post on Youtube, BiliBili and Facebook it seems.

I genuinely can't tell if you're joking.

[Andreas Stangenes 1,627]

Where can i find the leak from north korea?

[bonchie 2,305]

33 minutes ago, Bottle said:

As the plane flys around the stadium and then pauses, you can see shields with athletics figures on it. That’s definitely hand crafted, the AI surely isn’t doing that.

That one building is hand placed. All the skyscrapers and other stuff are AI. 

They've tried to place POIs around the world, even in non-photogrammetry areas. 

Edited July 22, 2020 by bonchie