27 minutes ago, Dialectic said:

I saw that there was a beautiful model of Sacre Coeur on the hill, and the Vatican is modeled in Rome, so it’s not like they are avoiding having churches in the sim. I’m just confused here. What gives.

It is like @fogboundturtle said, the AI isn‘t capable of generating such buildings yet, be they churches, temples or mosques. They chose some religious landmarks they modelled manually, but it’s only a small selection. One possibility to do this procedurally might be that they model some generic religious buildings and place them based on OSM data. 

9 minutes ago, Dialectic said:

Apparently I gave the wrong impression

Not at all, you expressed yourself just fine. it's just that some people don't read too carefully and end up misunderstanding.

Don't worry about it.

7 minutes ago, Claviateur said:

The AI detects footprint shapes and their roof colors. OSM (that seems to be also used) have places of worship but not always accurate or complete.

The 3D infrastructures are built with algorithms based on the footprint/roof data. We see Industrial, residential etc but it could  be more tricky for places of worship... Being a sensitive topic, I think these were omitted because displaying a place of worship for a specific community with the algorithms margin of error could lead to some disappointments.

Of course there will be no controversy if a specific warehouse in an industrial area does not look like the exact warehouse in real life. Yet if a place of worship, even if it suggest a specific religion could be inaccurate for the specific community belonging to this place of worship... 

Not mentioning that churches are not the only places of worship in the MSFS detailed world.

So of course hand made landmarks and photogrammetry display the exact place of worship for now. The automatic process is inaccurate for this.

I suppose addons will add these perhaps.

That makes sense. Thanks!

21 minutes ago, Der Zeitgeist said:

The tallest church in the world is protestant, and it's also not in the sim.

I wasn't aware that Ulm Minster was protestant. I just assumed that because Bavaria is so arch-catholic that the main churches of all towns are always the catholic ones. Interesting.

24 minutes ago, n4gix said:

I don't suspect anything nefarious. I haven't seen too many Baptist or Methodist Church buildings either. 😇

No, this not a religious issue . This is worse 😄 ! 

All cities and villages in Europe have been built around churches, this is kind of a pivot of the urban architecture. It is a fundamental block of our civilizational landscape. This is our world as we know it and as we love it.   I have always been a bit annoyed not to see churches, even generic, in the older sims and I am sorry to see that it is again the same in a sim which strives to be a Earth Twin. BTW I am not a Catholic. 

Also, on a pure aviation point of view, they are great  VFR reporting or turning points 😉.

 

There’s this building in Lancaster PA that has a bar I used to go to years ago I can’t find that one but here in Los Angeles I had seen quite a few buildings with this new IPA brewery’s . Wonder what’s up with the old bars not being modeled 🤣😂

10 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

Also, on a pure aviation point of view, they are great  VFR reporting or turning points 😉.

Agreed, Dominic! Over time some -- but most certainly not all! -- of these will be modeled by interested individuals.

If anyone wants to hatch conspiracy theories take a look at Washington DC.  The Capitol dome is removed and it's turned into a hotel, the Washington Monument is a tall slim office building, the White House looks run down, and the Jefferson Memorial is a flat slab of concrete...but the Lincoln memorial and the Pentagon are well done representations of the original.

"Coincidence?   What are they trying to say?"

To think this is deliberate is nonsense.  It's just incomplete artwork cut off at an arbitrary point because of an artificial release date.  About the only thing it proves is that this sim was not designed by an American company!  🙂But even Paris is incomplete as far as landmarks.  It's not a nefarious conspiracy.

Dutch

 

Edited August 21, 20205 yr by Dutch727

53 minutes ago, Dialectic said:

so it’s not like they are avoiding having churches in the sim. I’m just confused here. What gives.
 

Nothing gives, except possibly a persecution complex on your part. You even point out yourself that they are 'not avoiding having churches' in the sim. Would you be so bothered if there were some Mosques missing?

Notre Dame was extensively damaged in a fire in 2019 and this is a sore point with Parisians and the French populace at large (me too since Paris is my fave place), and since Asobo is a French company, well they're not going to be too keen on modeling a national treasure in a very sad state, are they?

 

 

Edited August 21, 20205 yr by Chock

23 minutes ago, Dialectic said:

I wonder if notre dame was a pain in the butt to model, and might be forthcoming. 
 

is Stonehenge (sp?) present? Like to see that too

No. It's just pebbles. 

In regards to AI learning and for someone who knows nothing about it.. is this a ongoing process that we continually should be seeing improvements or do the developers have to keep tweaking it by hand?

With the implied "learning" you'd assumed quality will improve by the week as its understanding grows.

Edited August 21, 20205 yr by AllRed

You know when you complain about a church/POI not being modelled properly, that it has to be some spectacular sim.   Those were only joking comments more than a year ago.  No it's an actual thing.

Edited August 21, 20205 yr by ErichB

3 minutes ago, ErichB said:

You know when you complain about a church not being modelled properly, that it has to be some spectacular sim.   Those were only joking comments more than a year ago.  No it's an actual thing.

I’m loving the sim. The vfr quality is awesome.

54 minutes ago, Dialectic said:

I went sight-seeing to visit the beautiful churches of my faith, but I’m a little disappointed. The cathedral-esque church in my hometown turned out to just be cruciform shaped grass next to the rectory. I just assumed since my area is a small rural town that the ai messed up. My wife and I then checked out segovia. The beautiful cathedral there is also just cruciform shaped grass. So now I’m wondering if the ai just doesn’t have a cruciform shaped asset to fill those 2d images. But then I went to Paris and I’m pretty certain that Norte dame was just grass as well, and I’m not certain but I don’t think it’s cruciform shaped so it should have been populated. Plus Paris received hands-on attention. Why did they skip notre dame? Perhaps I had the wrong location? I saw that there was a beautiful model of Sacre Coeur on the hill, and the Vatican is modeled in Rome, so it’s not like they are avoiding having churches in the sim. I’m just confused here. What gives.
 

If you like churches, I recommend XP11 with the "VFR Landmarks" add-on. Churches everywhere, and since the add-on isn't affected by X-Plane's LOD setting, you have unlimited view of all churches up to the horizon. Since they only have four models (small, medium, big, cathedral) which all look Catholic, even churches (temples, mosques ect.) of other confessions are displayed as Catholic churches. You will love it!

6 minutes ago, Chock said:

Nothing gives, except possibly a persecution complex on your part. You even point out yourself that they are 'not avoiding having churches' in the sim. Would you be so bothered if there were some Mosques missing?

Notre Dame was extensively damaged in a fire in 2019 and this is a sore point with Parisians and the French populace at large (me too since Paris is my fave place), and since Asobo is a French company, well they're not going to be too keen on modeling a national treasure in a very sad state, are they?

 

 

Nope, no persecution complex. Just wanted to VFR some beautiful sites.